Tbh, I think I would have gone on some kind of a killing spree in my school at some point if I wouldn't have had Quake 3 (which I wasn't even able to get legally 14 years ago) as a vent. The people I would have massacred would surely have deserved it but I'm still glad it didn't come to this.

So yeah, I truly think that virtual killing is reducing real life violence.
Although the common opinion in the mass media in my place is, that those games create real-life violence, all the studies trying to prove that failed miserably and all they achieved was the consensus, that frustrating games create violent behaviour (Flappy Bird anyone?), not games depictim virtual violence.

Even for art there are limits. You can still not insult living persons, even if you mask it as art. So if you for example take a picture of your neighbour, render him into a shooter, kill him there virtually and put in on youtube, you'll get a lot of trouble.

Or if you play the hypothetical concentration camp manager and it's maybe so real that Jewish people feel offended - probably it will be forbidden (although I still think that there is actually noone existing wanting to play such thing and also being in the right mind).

And also the mentioned Pedophilia perks in RPGs. In some countries even cartoon and animated child pornography is out of question (http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2005-03-04/canadian-arrested-for-importing-loli-porn-manga). It's surely debatable if it wouldn't be better to allow virtual pedophilia but at least currently art cannot do everything.

So you are telling me there are people who think rape is worse than murder? There are people who rather had their wifes, moms, sisters, daughtered been killed than raped? Do you realise that rape is kind of common? There is a good chance one of your relatives has been raped, would you rather have them be dead? I can't believe anyone except maybe honour killers really feel this way.

It is just a game, not real, why would it make me feel bad? Why do other murders ingame not make you feel bad? Because you are a hypocrite.

Exactly.

That has to do with your horizon and your obvious lack of tolerance regarding other opinions.
As someone who survived quite a bit, I would prefer being murdered to being raped whether you accept it or not.

Thanks for those words, I see you are a caring, emotional and kind person that knows me better than anyone else, way to go!

So you rather have your relatives be dead than raped? You realise just how common it is? There is a good chance one of em has been raped.

Is this supposed to insult me?

Someone is always offended. Why is it different from genocide in Colonization?

I was asked where I want the line to be drawn. I think it should be able to do everything, I realise that often it can't.

lol, most of his reply is based on missing the context of my reply to your question. But yeah, exactly...

While I agree murder is worse than rape I still agree with the others that people's opinions matter. If one has been through a shitty life, I'm sure inclination towards more shit is worse than death because in their perspective life has not much to offer. It's in all in the perspective of the person in question.

> thats a nice promo for kickass 2 movie, i saw kickass movie and it was fun, not the maiming of people, but the way the good guys wasted the bad guys.

> i just voted for that falcon


if you could vote on this old classic:
http://www.gog.com/wishlist/games/gearhead_garage
it has 124 votes sofar any vote would be nice cause its a realy nice game

We the carfixers will be thankfull... its a good simple and fun carfixing game from the past
it seems there are more listed for the same game , perhaps gog can merge these with the biggest one which has 124 votes.

I feel this thread went off course a bit when somehow it turned to comparing rape and murder, because the thing is that hardly any of the popular videogames are about murder, and when a videogame actually is, it causes just as much controversy as a game about rape (see Postal and Hatred). Most videogames are about 'killing enemies', and killing enemies, as opposed to rape and torture is an internationally accepted solution for threats to the populace or your own life in RL, no matter how we as individuals may feel about it. Soldiers kill, policemen kill, assaulted people kill in self-defense, and it's all excused in the eyes of the law and society.

Most violent videogames make sure to tell you it's okay to kill because your opponents are 'bad' people who are threatening your life and the life of others, even those in which you are operating outside the law - e.g. you're a backstabbing assassin or a hitman for hire, but your targets are even more corrupt, and you're meant to feel like you're doing a 'service to society' in getting rid of them. (Imagine a game about assassinating iconic US presidents or members of the democratic opposition fighting for freedom, and how that would make the majority of players feel about themselves.) Add the themes of personal revenge - something almost any human can relate to, to a certain extent - and outrage about taboos - "that rapist/child molester/murderer deserves death!" -, and you have a perfect recipe for making people feel fine with all the killing in games precisely because it's not perceived as murder but as justice.

Rape on the other hand is something that's never excused nor glorified by society in RL, so I don't see what's hypocritical about people feeling strongly revolted to see it as a goal in videogames. If there's anything hypocritical at all, it would be people complaining about instrumentalized killing in videogames while accepting it as a solution to problems in real life (war, capital punishment etc.).

You're right, too many excuses to kill. We need less excuses in games to kill if killing is the point of the game.

When I play the Hitman games or Dishonored I try to imagine being the character I'm playing and that I chose that career because I enjoy it and because I excel at it (intrinsic value) as opposed to a service to society or revenge for someone else (instrumental value).

But it is exactly this kind of double standard that invites people to campaign for bans of killing games as well.
"We think killing is wrong, so videogames who allow you to do it should be banned. Wait whats that, you don't think so, but at the same time you think games that have rape should be banned? We agree, lets ban stuff!"

I'm not into car games (except for P.O.D and Stunts/4D Sports Driving) and my knowledge of car mechanics/tuning is zero but Gearhead Garage looks like an original game that car enthusiasts can enjoy so I voted for it.

Pixels and data. They're just incredibly vivid products of imagination.

thank you.... i dont like car games like driving aswell, and i am non technical, i dont know anything about cars, but i liked the demo so thats why i voted for it.
Thanks again for voting.
I have voted for many games , most of them i dont like or play, but if i can help some users, i am happy to vote on something.

they are.

do you remember Yie Ar Kung-Fu ? i had it on tape later on c64 disc(retail)

also had IK plus
also on c64 and on AMIGA 500
i had that simple bruce lee game (cassette only )

pirates! and airborne ranger (pixels) but very good games and quite expensive in the old days (guilders)

69 guilders for pirates! and 59 guilders for airborneranger (51/4 discs for 1541 drive)
nice manuals, great games.

i also had Labyrint (yup from the movie)
Big Trouble in Litte China (pixels stuff)
sort of aliens game, rambo game and rambo 3 game (discs)
ah those good old pixels days, funny thing is that nowadays my eyes have to get used to all that pixels again, because the eyes are spoiled with nowadays super resoution graphics, so when playing some old games it takes time to make the eyes peep together to see the detail (or i play it in a small dox box making the pixels look better)

Sorry, no memories of an era I was born long after. I was three months before the collapse of the USSR.

that collapse was in the nineties i guess?
i was 25 about then i guess,
yes the games i mentioned are very old i was like 14 or so when i got the c64.