Oh you, stop trying to butter me up!

I'm inclined to agree with you, it seems likely that GH is scum. Are you proposing to lunch him today or are you willing to go with NL? I suppose no action is required for NL, I'm just curious where you stand right now?

Again, might be wrong on this, but: you seem to be more readily/easily leaning Pookina town...and have done so through several of your posts now....why is that, I wonder?

I mean yes, maybe you're just a town who sees Pookina as town, but the seeming "defense" of Pookina gives me pause.

Yeah, Catte is leaning town for me right now as well.....would likely not vote.

Dunno about Micro as I find it hard to lean them atm....still, wouldn't vote as I want to stick to my top 3 to avoid a mislynch(also I like reading his posts usually :)).

Note: I and Pookina we're actually scum together on a prior game, so such a pairing is possible.

Btw, I notice Trent is in both of those pairings you're considering. As I know(but cannot prove, obviously) that i'm town and don't want us to lose, I ask: would you be willing to vote Trent on next (d5/etc)?
(or even vote Pookina, if not Trent)

I mean if others(including yourself) feel I am suspect/scum, wouldn't the better play be to find my scum buddy and lynch them first.....so as to make the next lynch a more or less "slam dunk" for town?

Anyhoo, think about it and let me know later re: the above when ya can.

Yeah, buttering other players up is more my thing. ;D

I forget, if you feel i'm scum, who do you think my partner is/would be?

And once you answer that, I ask sort of what I asked Joppo: if you feel i'm scum, why not lynch my supposed partner first then come for me next? Would seem to make more sense if I was scum than the plan of lynching me then searching for my partner, at any rate.

(I mean lynching starting d5, of course, so that the player pool is smaller and finding scum is a bit easier)

I'm fairly wary of someone trying to buddy up to me at this point. Both you and Joppo have me paranoid that you're scum trying to manipulate me into something.

Well I had previously excluded Trent, but Joppo makes a good point that it's not that simple. In fact the back and forth between you and Trent over the last few days could be distancing (possibly even planned distancing?). Hell, Joppo could be your partner for all I know, trying to set up conditions for after you flip scum.

But if we're fairly certain about you and uncertain about who your partner is, how does it make sense to try and lunch the partner first?
Assuming you're scum, there's still a chance we'd get the wrong person as your partner and I feel like such a thing is more likely to go wrong while you're alive because you'd have influence over things.

Maybe we're both le ebil scum.....or maybe we're both town who like to buddy up to people in these games...or maybe one likes to buddy and the other is an ebil copydog.

Jokes aside, a question: do you think I would do something like that that'd make you suspect me even more...especially with scum so close to winning.....if I were scum?

Also the same question, but Joppo instead of me: do you think he'd be likely to do such?

Because if I was scum and got lynched, my partner would probably be able to hide well enough long enough to win the game....so it'd make sense(imo) if I were scum for town to get rid of my partner first.

I'd have influence over things? Really? I can barely get wagons going or get many to subscribe to my theories in these games due to how suspect I can often be....and somehow i'd be able to influence things?

If I read you right, I think you give me too much credit. :)

You know what, if you're still going for no-lynch, go for it. I'm not going to resist at this point. Let's see where it takes us.

My only agenda is literally "save Town from nolynching its way to a scum win, lynch scum and do your best." Well, it used to be just the "lynch scum and do your best" part, but, you know. :)

Huh, it just hit me. Remember when trent used to be FlockeSchnee? I remember a couple of posts when she said she couldn't get the hang of the game. All this talk about scum trent is making me consider the idea that Flocke felt pressured early on due to being mafia, and possibly not committing enough to the game and costing her two-man team. Hence, getting replaced. I guess substitutes can potentially break the game, even if the assumptions being made could be wrong?

I wonder why. I wonder. It surely was because you did something super scummy that town shouldn't eve-

Nevermind, I guess.

Any pairing is possible, even if you've never had this pairing in a prior game. And while on the topic of being with you as scum before, sure, I'll grant you that you weren't all that strong in the Shining game. That doesn't mean there isn't room for improvement. You may have no idea how to stop being "naturally sus" as a Townie, but as a mafioso with scumchat, prior experience, and knowledge of who's on your side and who isn't, you're bound to become better. Who knows, maybe the scumchat being very possibly on QuickTopic would be more productive for you, probably you keep the tab for it open right next to this game's or something, instead of dealing with Discord and its shenanigans.

The point is, just because we've been paired before, it doesn't mean I know your scumgame like the back of my hands.

But if we speak of your scumgame, I also remembered something else. It was you who suggested I self-vote myself to oblivion, right? I mean sure, you didn't do the "to oblivion" part, but you did the "self-vote yourself" part. Just food for thought.

I could do that as scum. I also could just forget about the whole preventing NL thing, and go to sleep as scum. I benefit either way: one more Townie less, or one wagon less. No need to "look like" I'm doing something here, if I were a mafioso.

I've been voting you since the beginning of the game. If that isn't an indication that you weren't helpful even back then, I don't know what is. What makes this Day different is that I have more ammo to suspect you than I did D1.

So when D5 starts, Trent will vote you immediately, and you will vote me immediately, if all of us are alive. Interesting. No, you know what's more interesting? You claim I'm the scumz, but I haven't seen you place a single vote on me. In fact, when you do promise one, you're promising it for the next Day instead.

Oh there's that other GH post. I knew I was missing something. Oh well, it can wait for tomorrow I guess. Assuming I don't get sucked into playing on my PS3 again.

"You sit on a throne of lies." -Buddy the Elf, Elf, 2003

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Why not vote NL and help get us there even faster? ;)
(I know.....we should wait for more talk and etc etc.....but: not many are even talking atm, and the ones doing so[besides me] are usually talking very little)

What about town NLing to a town win? ;)

Good points, and also ones I think(bad memory so not sure) I contemplated at one point or other.

But yeah, that and the other reasons are why Trent is near the top of my suspects list.

That's what most "traditional style" players seem to believe town should never do....but remember: this is ME we're talking about. ;)

As you likely well know, I will do near anything(even I have exceptions) it takes to get a town win....even some things other players might think a town shouldn't do.

And it was either self voting and keeping myself from being mislynched easily(again).....leading my fellow town to likely be upset at me then.....or do something town might not like now to try to avoid said mislynch/a town loss so that town might have a chance.

Sadly not likely.

Remember(and sorry for saying this AGAIN) my bad memory? Well it's worse in ways than some think/know: if I didn't write things down i'd likely forget even things I talked about less than a week prior with friends and family. I have to even note things down in notepads and etc IRL....as anything that my mind doesn't store easily can also be easily lost from my memory. Add to that that I forget sometimes to make notes, and am a bit lazy and put it off sometimes(making it easier to forget to note things down).....this all leads to why I am and will likely always be a "perpetual greenhorn" in these games.

In short, it is near impossible for me to improve in these games due to an actual physical disability. I could write more notes to counter this, but I forget to do so or lazily put them off then forget what I read in a number of cases.

Btw, the reason i'm doing better now is because my current motivation/desire to see town win is somewhat overriding my laziness and i'm trying to best to remember more/taking a bit more notes.

I'd likely just as easily forget to use the quicktopics...as per the above.

But you know it enough, I feel, to be able to note how my scum game is in some ways.

Yeah, I stupidly made a stupid choice with that....I should've drawn the attention of town in that game and let you have a chance at survival if it were possible in that game. Sorry for that.

You usually have a more "chipper" way of saying such things(if need be), though....those posts I pointed out? You didn't come across as such when stating such....you seemed to came across as more(no offense btw) "cold"/unfeeling.....which seemed a but OOC(out of character) for you.

You OR Trent, most likely....not just you and you alone.

Maybe it's because......I dunno.....it would be a waste to vote you/Trent today when I want to go for a NL(in part to make it easier to pick a suspect to vote for on d5)?

Btw, a note: I have been pushing more or less for NL all of d4. Would scum!me do that? Maybe...maybe I might.....but why? If i'm alive on d5 i'll be one of the top suspects and likely get voted anyways.

As long as you don't play Stay Tuned: the game, you should be fine. ;)

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Thrones.....did ya listen to my song link perhaps? Well then, here's another one for ya:

GH watches people run through the corridors nearby, as he begins to play again

"They may all be confused and scared now, but that's probably for the best.....they hopefully won't do something unwise in the meantime, and maybe they will even forgive me for what I have done, in time."

Checking his watch as he plays, he notes the time as another series of noises come...this time weird sounds played across the ship's intercom.

(No votes in this post, dear op)
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Wanna help us set up a party on the lido deck? I'll bring the music and snacks ;D

(also thanks for the bump...I had a bit more to add for everyone playing)

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To everyone playing:


I wonder who the NK will be if I make it till N4?

If i'm right on the scum team then scum might not want to NK me, as then eyes would be on my suspects(Pookina/Trent.....Joppo)....well unless i'm somehow horribly wrong on my suspect list(though I doubt that atm).

Imo scum probably won't NK Catte...especially if they want to throw shade on me....as Catte has started to side a bit more with me(while still suspecting me a bit as well, of course).

That leaves Micro, I believe....who hasn't said much or interacted much.....imo he is most likely to be the NK.

Of course, now that I said that, scum probably will think twice before thinking about NKing Micro.

What to do, my dear scums....what to do?

*GH chuckles deviously to himself*

Actually, no. I discounted all of that and regarded your D1 and D2 as neutral. Some posts that could be coming from a scum player but also from a townie!GH, so I found it inconclusive. My observations that you don't look particularty towny are based on D3 and D4.

No. I meant the attempt of measuring who would be the most viable wagon other than your own. It is useless for a townie even they are holding to a survivalist state of mind. There's no margin for "I would rather we lynch other townie than townie!me" anymore.
Scum on the other hand would have no problem with the push of whichever townie's wagon. They're all the same for them so of course they would want the easiest one.

Yeah right. That's totally a great reason to NK you. Which somehow they never take.

Well, it's not like I can answer for everything you do. GH works in mysterious ways... sometimes too mysterious even for himself. :p
I suppose the likeliest answer is that there didn't appear there would be any other big wagon at the time and you had to try a different strategy to survive. BTW, I'm not sure it worked. While your lynch has not happened (yet) I think it is more due to the rest the players wanting to use the time to Town's benefit, rather than anyone deciding you're now not the scummiest suspect.

Selflynching is scummy, there's no two ways about it. The only reasons it is not resulting in a policy lynch right now are a) It was GH who did it and his play is... let's say, unorthodox. So if there is a chance that one townie will do it, it is GH; and b) We can't afford a mislynch so we're rather assessing if there's any chance this is indeed a townie selfvote. I don't think anyone here is simply giving it a free pass.
A planned NL however, that's just a tool for Town. I get that you don't like it and it's not like we should use it in every occasion or even desire to use it, but there are moments it can be useful.

I'm just trying to invent antigravity here!

That's... a complicated question. At first I'm okay with us going for an NL, since I see real benefits for Town. Despite that both Pooka and Trent are vehemently against it and obviously if we could win the game in less Days I'd be all up for it.
On the other hand, I'm confident that there must be scum in the conflict of Pooka versus GH and I'm inclined to say it is GH, who is already so suspected by so many people his lynch is very probable. So if there is enough support for us skipping the NL I'm okay with it. I'm still trying (and failing) to see the angle where GH is town and will remain at it until EoD, just in case. Besides, I was much against an early vote for NL because it would cut valuable time off D4. We did get that time by now and I think we used it well.
And on the third hand, my process of elimination has left me with only two possible scum pairs and Trent figures in both of them. He has become a certainty for me so of course I'm all up for lynching him today. But I don't think this idea has enough support yet.
So in the end, I'm kinda okay with any of NL, Trent or GH (with a caveat for the chance of Pooka gaining scumpoints that give him GH's spot before EoD).


Well, the fact that your posts and the selfvote gave you a scum lean might have something to do with Pooka appearing townier than you. Possibly.

You should be fair here: Pooka has actually gone DOWN in my reads compared to yesterDay. During D3 I had no doubts he is Town; today I just find it very probable. You on the other hand already wasn't in a good spot and fell even further in the same time. For example you selfvoted, he didn't. And despite that I should rate you both the same?

What sort of moon logic is this? I can't even

Fair enough

One thing: for the longest time(in part due to the IRL earlier in the game) I didn't have many leads, so at that time near any player was as suspect as any other. Now I have a few suspects as i've gotten more into the game.

(also I really really really like playing, and dislike how I often get lynched or NKd early in a number of games)

Because usually i'm either wrong or no one seems to lend too much weight to my leans/ideas.

Nah, I would've likely tried starting another wagon and doing my best to get others on board, and then just giving up and letting my lynch happen if I were scum....allowing my scum mate to hide in the background as best as they could.
(like I believe i've done before as scum)

This reminds me....as I said to Pookina in post 802(in the underlined bit that starts with the word "btw"): me doing all this(delaying the game and going for NL) makes little sense....as it'd only be a delaying tactic.

If i'm alive on d5 i'll likely be suspected and easily voted anyways.

So then why do it? Why delay the inevitable if I am scum while knowing i'll likely be lynched the next "day"?

Agreed

Which(like I just said above) makes me delaying my likely lynch(due to being suspected by a number of players) until d5 make little sense.

I'd be ok with lynching Trent, but he might be town(slight chance imo) so I would rather NL. Plus I think NL is the way to go....any lynch today(d4) can also be done tomorrow(d5)

As I keep saying: it was either the self vote, or letting scum possibly get an easy lynch(yeah I know, can't prove i'm town...etc etc...so take it fwiw).

Didn't you say above in this post of yours that my self voting was more NAI for me? And still you seem to be weighing my doing it as if another player had done it?

And no, I don't expect you to rate us the same, but you seem(key word) to be more easily giving free passes for various things to Pookina than myself. To me that seems like a possible scum!Joppo trying to make their team mate look better by comparison....of course I admit, I could be wrong....which is partly why you're at the low end of my suspects list atm.

It's GH logic.....takes getting used to. Basically, let's say I was scum....if i'm lynched you'd still need to find my scum mate, which would likely be a decent bit harder. My thought is it'd be a better "bet", if town thinks i'm scum, to go after my supposed scum mate first then me.

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Note to all: If a wagon "had" to happen today(d4) the ones i'd join onto are Pookina then Trent....but I really want a NL and will do my best to push that through if I can see to that happening.

Just wanted to separate this bit so everyone reads it:

If I am scum, I will of course not be the NK. If I am town, I am guessing the scum will likely leave me alive to be the lynch on d5, and (imo) I am more or less very likely(if not certain) to be the lynch if I survive till d5.

Knowing the above and if I were scum, why would I bother dragging the game till EOD and into a NL if i'm probably going to get lynched on d5?

Addon to the bit above
(also for everyone)

I could think of two reasons that might fit:

1. To hopefully get people to suspect others more and me less: not likely gonna happen, and if I live till d5 the chance becomes even more unlikely

2. To just delay the game to waste people's time: i'm not that bastardy to want to waste people's time like that(plus i've actually been trying to get to d5 as fast as possible with a NL vote for a good chunk of d4).

Just popping in at the end of a very long and busy day to say I'm knocking off early tonight because I'm getting jabbed (Round 1) tomorrow. I want a good night's sleep & I don't know how I'll be in terms of playing etc. Willing to vote NL if that's the thing to do; it's mathematically slightly more correct.

Leaving this post with a funny song about, well, overindulging, as sung by the One & Only Rudy Vallee

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uz3-pnN2J6A

Also this
or this other
Enjoy!

VOTE COUNT

GymHenson 2 - trentonlf (#728), Microfish_1 (#762)
No-Lynch 2 - GymHenson (#732), Catte (#742)

Not voting: Joppo, Pookina

With 6 players it takes 4 votes to achieve a lynch.

GymHenson and No-Lynch is closest to lynch at L-2.

Day 4 ends in approximately 12 hours.