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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, I meant sad and disappointed.
Why not? Ps3 and before don't have any drm on them you just put the disc/cart in and play. Quite a lot of the old games are drm free, also quite a few need nocd or official patches to get round that though. I have a shed load of old games several hundred and more all ages, and a fair few work out the box like baldurs gate for instance, Diablo (I actually have that on a usb!
Playstation is not an open system, by default you cannot play your application and disc are copy protected so that's DRM for me.
Also, DRM aside, I really like digital delivery... I can buy any time and play as soon as the download is over, I don't need space (just a small hard disk to store a backup with hundred of games) and I don't have to worry about broke the disk.
I only have few not digital games and I already made a backup digital copy (with a no dvd crack of course).

Also for the PS3 I also need to worry about the PS3 itself... I already don't like when a game is windows-only (expecially for new games... with old games I can use Wine)... but at least a with a windows game I can play anytime with any new computer.

Finally I always play with mouse/trackpad & keyboard... I really don't like to play with a gamepad. If I really have to play without M&K I even prefer touch controls to a gamepad.

No thanks... I will just buy drm-free game on humble bundle, from the developer site, steam, origin and even uplay when I find one... I started with gog because it was the only one 100% drm-free with complete games and client free.
My secondary choices are, of course, humble bundle or the developer site, because they are also client free and drm-free (just not 100% of the times).
And if I have to I will install clients just to download games, but I will always pay attention to be able to play without the client.
I'm not convinced this is part of the 'Offline installer with Galaxy' thing, mainly because that initial download is just Galaxy, which in turn downloads and installs the game. If it was an 'Offline installer with Galaxy' thing, wouldn't the download include both?
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RaceProUK: I'm not convinced this is part of the 'Offline installer with Galaxy' thing, mainly because that initial download is just Galaxy, which in turn downloads and installs the game. If it was an 'Offline installer with Galaxy' thing, wouldn't the download include both?
Considering what the GOG staff talked about implementing a while ago, I wouldn't be surprised if that's a...implementation of what they wanted to. And maybe it is just Galaxy for now to test the waters of what can be possible. It isn't directly part of the offline installer with Galaxy deal, but rather it comes after and is related to that deal.
It's a beta build, so I'd say it's an exception for now.
What may be in a year or two? Who knows with all the changes to everything that was great here...
A thought occurs:

When Valve first released Half-Life 2, they included Steam as a required dependency with every boxed copy. Not to say that GOG is definitely trying the same trick (is GWENT as in-demand as HL2 was?), but it does give off some of that same vibe.
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Klumpen0815: It's a beta build, so I'd say it's an exception for now.
What may be in a year or two? Who knows with all the changes to everything that was great here...
The installer(aka what's the main topic here)=yes, or at least hopefully, because I wouldn't call those offline installers if they were like that.
The "you need to have Galaxy"=no
It's required for multiplayer in certain games and from what I've read, possibly CD Projekt Red:
Expansion of GOG Galaxy with new features and networking technologies required by new CD PROJEKT RED products.
Just collecting this info for other users who are wondering what's going on.
My guess is that in the future

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RaceProUK: A thought occurs:

When Valve first released Half-Life 2, they included Steam as a required dependency with every boxed copy. Not to say that GOG is definitely trying the same trick (is GWENT as in-demand as HL2 was?), but it does give off some of that same vibe.
I wouldn't say as much demand, but it's still part of the Witcher Series.
Because of "Expansion of GOG Galaxy with new features and networking technologies required by new CD PROJEKT RED products.", keyword being Required, it could be possible(or well, required=100% confirmed?) that we'll get Galaxy bundled with them, which would also mean that the client isn't fully optional like they always said?
Those products would be the Witcher series which is definitely popular.
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, I meant sad and disappointed.

Why not? Ps3 and before don't have any drm on them you just put the disc/cart in and play. Quite a lot of the old games are drm free, also quite a few need nocd or official patches to get round that though. I have a shed load of old games several hundred and more all ages, and a fair few work out the box like baldurs gate for instance, Diablo (I actually have that on a usb!
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r543: Afaik those still had disc DRM.
As for PC ones, yeah Securom, and guess what, not compatible with Win10! Also funny enough, noCD patches for more modern games(GRID for example) end up being exactly the cracks you usually get with pirated ones...
Pirates saving the day by offering the best confort again compared to DRM...
Well, not going to get I to specifics, as I mentioned I have Diablo running on a usb stick, so it cant have any disc protection. But yes, all those cracks and nocds and such like save the day again.
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nightcraw1er.488: Nope, I meant sad and disappointed.
Why not? Ps3 and before don't have any drm on them you just put the disc/cart in and play. Quite a lot of the old games are drm free, also quite a few need nocd or official patches to get round that though. I have a shed load of old games several hundred and more all ages, and a fair few work out the box like baldurs gate for instance, Diablo (I actually have that on a usb!
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LiefLayer: Playstation is not an open system, by default you cannot play your application and disc are copy protected so that's DRM for me.
Also, DRM aside, I really like digital delivery... I can buy any time and play as soon as the download is over, I don't need space (just a small hard disk to store a backup with hundred of games) and I don't have to worry about broke the disk.
I only have few not digital games and I already made a backup digital copy (with a no dvd crack of course).

Also for the PS3 I also need to worry about the PS3 itself... I already don't like when a game is windows-only (expecially for new games... with old games I can use Wine)... but at least a with a windows game I can play anytime with any new computer.

Finally I always play with mouse/trackpad & keyboard... I really don't like to play with a gamepad. If I really have to play without M&K I even prefer touch controls to a gamepad.

No thanks... I will just buy drm-free game on humble bundle, from the developer site, steam, origin and even uplay when I find one... I started with gog because it was the only one 100% drm-free with complete games and client free.
My secondary choices are, of course, humble bundle or the developer site, because they are also client free and drm-free (just not 100% of the times).
And if I have to I will install clients just to download games, but I will always pay attention to be able to play without the client.
As above don't really want to have this discussion. Windows is also a closed system. As for digital, once you have the images they are digital, this is all Gog really does, add a nocd and package it up. Me, I say anything I can play offline with no restrictions on my use, is Drm free, ie no-one Is managing my right to pls something. Otherwise everything is drm'd, you cant play win games on mac or on xbox or on snes.
Post edited May 27, 2017 by nightcraw1er.488
Lost the original reply, goddamn it GOG Forums, why can't they fix that stuff up and have forum bans that don't ban the users from accessing games? The REP system, not that someone should ever care that much of it, can be thrown out of the window because of the trolls.
EDIT: nevermind that first part, GOG didn't show me that there were two pages, guess I should've done a hard website reload. It is true that the Forum could have some improvements through.
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RaceProUK: A thought occurs:

When Valve first released Half-Life 2, they included Steam as a required dependency with every boxed copy. Not to say that GOG is definitely trying the same trick (is GWENT as in-demand as HL2 was?), but it does give off some of that same vibe.
Not sure how popular GWENT is but it's still part of the Witcher Series, so it should get some popularity?

Expansion of GOG Galaxy with new features and networking technologies required by new CD PROJEKT RED products. Based on this it sounds like CD Projekt Red Products(which would be Witcher games) probably use it, however with the keyword being required, I'm not sure if we can have doubts about it, maybe SP doesn't? But if they're already that bent on hell to get Galaxy everywhere it wouldn't be far off, that is IF they really go that far, hopefully they don't.
This means that the Client isn't fully optional, so much about that, but hey that was already the case earlier with some games that needed it for multiplayer. What features, outside of making it more convenient and easy, does Galaxy bring to multiplayer games anyways?
Post edited May 28, 2017 by r543
"GOG Galaxy, the gamer friendly online gaming platform" (emphasis mine)

Bwahahahahahah
Don't worry! I think this is specific to Gwent. What GOG does by selling "Gwent + Galaxy" is a marketing tactic to get more people to notice and/or join up GOG, thus growing their customer base, similar to the way Steam does by using multiplayer products to get people to stay on Steam. If you noticed, more new people have been dropping by of late.

I really don't think they are giving up DRM-Free. Because they might as well have done that in the beginning (which would have been a lot better). It's not much use attempting to change tactics now, because Steam is very deeply entrenched. Everybody's friends and game libraries are there. Plus, to be honest, Steam's features are more advanced, prominent and less buggy. You need a reason to go somewhere different.

And DRM-free is definitely key. Other things I like, are GOG's much cleaner home page, where I can quickly view new releases and anything else that catches my eye. I also like that their screenshot carousal doesn't automatically jump if you choose to stay and browse it naturally.
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Nicole28: Don't worry! I think this is specific to Gwent. What GOG does by selling "Gwent + Galaxy" is a marketing tactic to get more people to notice and/or join up GOG, thus growing their customer base, similar to the way Steam does by using multiplayer products to get people to stay on Steam. If you noticed, more new people have been dropping by of late.

I really don't think they are giving up DRM-Free. Because they might as well have done that in the beginning (which would have been a lot better). It's not much use attempting to change tactics now, because Steam is very deeply entrenched. Everybody's friends and game libraries are there. Plus, to be honest, Steam's features are more advanced, prominent and less buggy. You need a reason to go somewhere different.

And DRM-free is definitely key. Other things I like, are GOG's much cleaner home page, where I can quickly view new releases and anything else that catches my eye. I also like that their screenshot carousal doesn't automatically jump if you choose to stay and browse it naturally.
Thing is, you don't even get the 4,2 GB installer, there have been some games, and it sounds like CD Projekt Red wants to as well, that need Galaxy, at least for a certain part, see the multiplayer games that need it link posted on the first page.
Of course I hope that it won't spread further, but if we see what's been already done, and with more plans to spread Galaxy we can't be sure.

Also what Steam does by using multiplayer products? you need Steam for SP and even with Physical Copies nowadays you only find a Steam installer + key on the disc. So not like you could escape it anyways, unless you start to mod stuff.
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r543: Thing is, you don't even get the 4,2 GB installer, there have been some games, and it sounds like CD Projekt Red wants to as well, that need Galaxy, at least for a certain part, see the multiplayer games that need it link posted on the first page.
Of course I hope that it won't spread further, but if we see what's been already done, and with more plans to spread Galaxy we can't be sure.
I agree with your points, and hope that GOG could come to a good conclusion for all of this. The community has also done a good job by speaking up about the important parts.

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r543: Also what Steam does by using multiplayer products?
Well, the world on Steam is kind of like DOTA2/Team Fotress2/CSGO on one majority and everyone else who doesn't play any of these 3 games on the other. Thus it makes me wonder if GOG is attempting something like that. Wanting games that people will play persistently here in the future.
Post edited May 28, 2017 by Nicole28
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nightcraw1er.488: you cant play win games on mac.
you can. Wine works on mac quite well
and, like I said, windows is still more open than a console system (you can at least install windows on a new computer... on a ps3 you need a ps3), still I don't use windows.
Post edited May 28, 2017 by LiefLayer
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nightcraw1er.488: you cant play win games on mac.
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LiefLayer: you can. Wine works on mac quite well
and, like I said, windows is still more open than a console system (you can at least install windows on a new computer... on a ps3 you need a ps3), still I don't use windows.
EPsx. No different from things like wine. Just being technically limited to to something is not DRM, otherwise all the products here are drm'd as they wont work on system xyz in the future and don't work on all systems now. Is witcher 3 drm'd because it doesn't run on my android phone?
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nightcraw1er.488: EPsx. No different from things like wine. Just being technically limited to to something is not DRM, otherwise all the products here are drm'd as they wont work on system xyz in the future and don't work on all systems now. Is witcher 3 drm'd because it doesn't run on my android phone?
EPsxe is actually an emulator and Wine (originally an acronym for "Wine Is Not an Emulator") is a compatibility layer, so they are really different.
For the other part you don't understand one thing:
- there is a disk check on ps3 games that try to check if the game run on an original ps3, that's why I call it DRM.
- I also said that I don't like the idea of play on a console because the ps3 operative system /games only run on a costum ps3 hardware. Drm or not this is true (while I can install windows on every computer)