im just moar realis-tic

like
moar gamies here are smaller; smaller devs, smaller pubs (not always)
nature o' teh beast

updates should come
but i accept gogie aint priority

Like I said before in reply to your post. This is not about a dev not updating games on a regular basis at all. We have several devs that update GOG quite late - but they do. The problem is that IF in fact they even PLAN to not update ANY game on GOG (which is what they more or less said in the chat) it does mean that sooner or later ALL of their games will be outdated - on purpose. THAT is my problem ... again IF this in fact actually is the case. It's their (unofficial) politic about it I am annoyed about so much. If the chat is all a misunderstanding or a single opinion or whatever there won't even be a reason to kick them because in such a case they will (and should) update their games asap and everybody would be happy. If they stay here AND the mentioned politic of planned outdated GOG games is true there is no harm in losing them at least for the games already on GOG because they won't get any updates sooner or later anyway.
Completely agree to the statement to it from the youtuber: "DRM-free should not be a trade off".

Well that seems reasonable...I just wanted to also clarify what you meant by punished by law hence my first reply.

Thanks for conforming that, btw.

These two are actually valid question and I would've liked if the discussion would resolve around these statements rather than a shitfest you only see at Reddit and ResetEra or similar sites.

Personally and I just would like to see this, It would be nice to see a statement of a representant of TinyBuild to tell theirn audience that they must (as of now) make sure that all the games are up-to-date while making sure that no costumers are getting the short end of the stick. The most sentitive approach from the perspective of GOG is that costumers who bought their game can have a refund that last forever (as to uphold trust within their audience), but if they don't want to get a refund they still can play the games as long as they choose to refund it (its a special case and I don't know if the legalities regarding this even exist). I simply want to see the representative of TinyBuild appologizing, as I also know that quite often they're not caring about GOG, which in turn then reflects upon the business image of both TinyBuild and GOG negatively.

Besides all of the discussion considered I think that GOG themselves have to make sure this threatment of TinyBuild in regards to their platform is simply not OK. Either by banning them or at least giving a rather significant discount that sends out a signal to other publishers to actually care about this platform being just as up-to-date as anyone elses. I think that this issue with TinyBuild is more about GOGs image rather than TinyBuild themselves. They have to do the first step, simply accounting the issues with the publisher by far not enough.

Or in other terms, I would rather discuss the results of said topic rather than argumenting pro and contra in regards of only banning TinyBuild. I think its pretty clear TinyBuild doesn't have a leg to stand on while giving them a fair (if more strict) chance to simply and actually follow the terms of service (I'm fairly sure it exists between platform-publisher relationships). After all and it is what is already being discussed, what is bad for TinyBuild is also bad for this platform. Being a publisher is a serious undertaking and not caring about updates is a big issue for the platform and from the perspectives regarding costumer-level issues as well. Both TinyBuild (as the ones who want to earn money through this platform) and GOG (as the authority in this) have to come to terms on one another as the costumers are the ones this battle is fought over on regardless so the longer it takes the more of an issue it becomes with everyone involved.

EDIT: All I mean is that this issue has more nuanced and falling into the extremes of "either banning or doing nothing" serves noone here I think, also partially due to the reasons of what the guy I'm quoting here has written.

1. Tbh longwinded dialog can be fun/interesting(and I prefer it usually), but sometimes a bit of back and forth(IF CIVIL) can be fun and eye opening as well.

Also as I said above i'd rather GOG not ever issue blanket refunds to anyone as some less moral people would likely take advantage. They should offer them only to those who ask/truly want them. This way they aren't legally bound to give them to everyone.

As for the rep apologizing: If the rep was lying and did so maliciously they should be canned and the dev should issue an apology. If the rep was mistaken they themselves should apologize/correct their prior words and not lose their job. Just my two cents.

2. To be fair it could've been worse(what Tinybuild is doing or accused of doing). I would rather have their games here for those who want them rather than take them away from everyone because some dislike the dev's alleged actions/words(I mean the rep's comments).

Also I don't know if they can offer a discount without the dev's ok and even if they did it would likely come from GOG'S POCKET which I am not ok with as it doesn't negatively affect the dev themselves.

3. No one can influence a dialog usually, and we just have to let it flow and see what comes of it while trying to affect the outcome in the way we want through replies.

https://old.reddit.com/r/gog/comments/c9itwt/lets_clear_the_air_on_tinybuild_drm/

1. I think that in discussions about the legality of things it suits noone to fall into extremes to simply ban an entire publisher over this or doing nothing but being longwined is just me being me so I'm sorry :3. I guess that there isn't any other way around this since I'm usually commenting on more complex or difficult to argue subjects.

I do agree with you on anything else on #1. I also think that if people ask the GOG support nicely for a refund they should handle all of these things on a personal level rather than threating the costumers as some sort of mindless hivemind and do "things over the head of the costumer" so to speak I also think that doing things at large with the costumer goes against GOG core philosophies. I've rather meant that GOG should acknowledge the issue at large and put up with a official statement of sorts after both the publisher and GOG came to terms rather than having the forum fight it out and then decide or something :D.

Again my comment was more from the perspective as someone who knows that TinyBuild did something wrong but doesn't want the audience and costumers to get any major issue. Rather, this issue should be solved on the behalf of the costumers themselves (always getting the newest update as fast as on any other platform so GOG can compete properly or in other terms the most "bang out of their buck" for the costumer.)

2. I agree that the rep comments are actually a big issue but I would rather see a big official statement from them that gets posted on a place where many people can see it, such as a stickied post or even from a official GOG staff post that you see on the homepage. Any place that is run by humans are prone to mistakes and it doesn't seem right to me even with such a big fuck-up to outright ban the publisher. TinyBuild can and should do much better as a publisher obviously but that is something the GOG staff has to discuss internally and with TinyBuild representative.

And yes, if the discount hurts gogs pockets then its obviously a big no-no. I didn't mean to force GOG to do anything, its just that stuff like this is often solved through compromise so nobodys image is getting seriously hurt in the long run. You can argue that this issue regarding TinyBuild is already hurting their image however.

3. Yeah that obviously true, I am just hoping that this issue gets resolved without banning the publisher or by simply doing nothing.

EDIT: If this is real than a rep from GOG and Alex Nichiporchik have to settle this together internally and I also suggest that he posts in this thread. Mistakes have been made but I don't think that it would please a lot of people if nothing happens afterwards. I think a post like this reddit link is a good start or at least so much better then a long winded non-excuse that you read so often from a big company that fucked up.

As you might remember I also talked to tinyBuild a few days ago via facebook messenger and I used the opportunity to send them the COMPLETE list of every tinyBuild game here on GOG that is missing anything compared to Steam (including not available DLCs, OST ect.). They just replied.

"Thank you so much for putting together this list, super helpful!"

Yes, maybe it's again just PR but this is getting stranger to me every minute. Like I said - if they really ACT the same as they talked to me, I will believe in them again. And everybody knows hope dies last :)

Thank you for posting this!
He anounced that things WILL happen - so we just wait and if things DO happen everything is all right for me :)
They have the complete list (stated above) and they KNOW what is missing here.
Imo the reddit post is true and it sounds as if it has in fact been posted by the CEO.

1. I wasn't trying to single you out with that lingwinded comment, btw(and I even said I prefer it sometimes ;)).

I agree the dev/GOG should release some info(the dev did in the link above your post just now), though, and as I said I have no issue with people asking for refunds if they TRULY felt slighed by this and needed one.....otherwise if many asked forgot such it'd just hurt gog's bottom line & i'd rather people didn't hurt gog by doing such en masse to spite the devs.

2. The devs replied above your post in the link the other user just posted, actually. :)

As for hurting gog's image...I would think it would hurt the dev more than gog...just my two cents.

3. Good point/I agree.
Remember while waiting that it takes time to put together versions for GOG and also gog must test/verify those versions for each OS(iirc) 7 all that takes time. ;)

BS, and I have the same question as SirPrimalform: Why did it take so long to react?

Either Alex Nichiporchik has knowingly neglected his duty to have an oversight over the company’s responsibilities, or he's been occupied elsewhere (insert reason). I know, pure speculation. Either way, you don't just (at least not normally) "forget" that you have a contract with a company like GOG, and only pushes out updates to Steam. If it really is because of this irrational fear of DRMF, why even bother? O_o

I would have a claus in the agreement that stipulated that if patches are pushed on other platforms but neglected (for too long) on this one, the contracts breaks. Too harsh? Not in my mind, after all it's their product. I'm pro-consumer but this also affect GOGs reputation as well.

Oh, I don't expect this to be fixed in days. I just expect to see something happen in the next month or so.
I actually don't even care if they reacted because of the media attention (which is most likely) or because they wanted to. I only care about the end result. If the end result being GOG games updated and all additional features being available here as well it does not matter anymore. With this extreme media attention they probably won't make the same mistake again as well ... to quote tinyBuild: "That's just not smart business".

"Time will tell. Sooner or later, time will tell..."

XD

So from I'm seeing is that GOG are messaging the TinyBuild rep and the rep of TinyBuild is already stepping into the public space. Hopefully this entire issue will be solved quickly so every party can move on.
Thanks for making me look up RA on the wishlist. I hope that ye olde C&C games are coming on here at some point.

1. I do as well.

2. This...as long as we get our bread and circuses who cares if they did it for good PR/due to pressure or out of the milk of human kindness? In the end the results would be the same, AND those who are wary already know to keep an eye on such people/businesses.



Great RA game with some great acting/scenes and levels. Too bad the one boxed set of all the games had timer issues leading to sped up timers on some games.

There was a physical disc with many of the games on it I believe, though some games do have timer issues with sped up timers. It's still good with those bugs corrected, though.