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rambo919: So you think it's only the cost that keeps people from randomly killing other people?
Not quite, please reread what I said:

You do know one act takes a significant amount of resources, planning, physical work, and very illegal, and above all else is morally wrong, right? While the other is normal, completely harmless, and requires 5 mins of time?
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Whether either of these compared examples is harmful or easy is irrelevant to the question. The question is... does the same level of exposure ensure both results equally? Because if the power level was the same would the effect not be the same?
It doesn't because it's just scantily clad models posing. It's hardly stimulating. Do you also get hard at women's magazines with a photoshopped fashion model on its covers at the cash registers too? Because this is effectively the same thing.
Post edited 3 days ago by UnashamedWeeb
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foad01: I said it before. The discussions in older threads have no results. I simply don't play your game here because it will result in nothingness again. It is a dead end.
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rambo919: So you are offended because you think someone else is offended... and you are so offended you cant help yourself from trying to shout them all down....

Seems like a rather silly thing to do but hey you do you.
I am not offended. LOL.

Let me try to explain it differently. I think these outrage threads are ridiculous. The discussions are pointless because they have no result. It is just two groups fighting.

If people came here and simply say without a huge drama that they need a filter option and ask to support this wishlist entry you would see lots of agreement. GOG should implement these filters. They are really necessary.
Post edited 3 days ago by foad01
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rambo919: So you think it's only the cost that keeps people from randomly killing other people?
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UnashamedWeeb: Not quite, please reread what I said:

You do know one act takes a significant amount of resources, planning, physical work, and very illegal, and above all else is morally wrong, right? While the other is normal, completely harmless, and requires 5 mins of time?
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UnashamedWeeb: When you are doing that comparison you are basically as far as I can tell implying that murder is less frequent than it would otherwise be because it's so difficult to do. So if a situation were to occur where it's easy to do, with no legal consequence and no one morally condemns it.... it would happen more often the same way that masturbation does.

You might need to rethink that particular comparison.

Whether either of these compared examples is harmful or easy is irrelevant to the question. The question is... does the same level of exposure ensure both results equally? Because if the power level was the same would the effect not be the same?
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UnashamedWeeb: It doesn't because it's just scantily clad models posing. It's hardly stimulating. Do you also get hard at women's magazines with a photoshopped fashion model on its covers at the cash registers too? Because this is effectively the same thing.
On one hand, just because you for whatever reason have become so desensitized that such provocation does nothing to arouse you... does not mean the same is true for everyone else.

On the other hand, the nudity of these advertisements are specifically crafted to arouse... otherwise they would be pointless.

And then thirdly you seem like you are under the rich man's assumption when he meets a beggar. The rich man scolds the beggar for not having a job... without realizing that the beggar has fallen so low he is incapable of holding one even if he got one because the employment standards are so high. If your stomach is full you wont be tempted by food advertisements, if you are starving you will be likely to break into a store to steal food.... thus if your sexual apatite is satisfied in whatever way you won't be destabilized by a woman in a tight dress.... and you most likely wont be playing a game in which sex is a priority.

On the other hand, knowing nothing about you, it's also possible that you became desensitized because of over-stimulation and you need open porn to get any reaction.

And to return to my comparison question in a different way.... which is easier: going a full year without any kind of sex or without killing anyone? Can media exposure make you more likely to more frequently engage in sexual activity or does it have no effect? Can media exposure make you more likely to commit violence or does it have no effect?

Which is easier with visual media exposure, instigating sexual activity or instigating murder?

Which graphic exposure is most powerful in exiting a response that otherwise would not have happened?

If you are exposed to swearing does it make you swear more or have no effect?

Is there not obvious false equivalence that because one is weak the other is also?
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rambo919: So you are offended because you think someone else is offended... and you are so offended you cant help yourself from trying to shout them all down....

Seems like a rather silly thing to do but hey you do you.
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foad01: I am not offended. LOL.

Let me try to explain it differently. I think these outrage threads are ridiculous. The discussions are pointless because they have no result. It is just two groups fighting.

If people came here and simply say without a huge drama that they need a filter option and ask to support this wishlist entry you would see lots of agreement. GOG should implement these filters. They are really necessary.
Well you certainly react as if you are offended. If these threads are so ridiculous.... why engage with them at all unless you are trying to stop them happening? Not that I can see how any kind of bullying or social shaming will have that desired outcome...
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rambo919: If something is nonsense it should be easy to give a simple refutation without resorting to such fabulous deflection attempts.
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foad01: I said it before. The discussions in older threads have no results. I simply don't play your game here because it will result in nothingness again. It is a dead end.
It's the Socratic Method mate.... not some kind of game.
Post edited 3 days ago by rambo919
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rambo919: which is easier: going a full year without any kind of sex or without killing anyone?
I plead the Fifth!
Have to agree, Gog has always had a problem with this type of continental liberalism. Those types of games in newsletters, on the homepage and even their own games is just not acceptable to some. Create an opt out option at least.
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rambo919: Nvm the porn addicts that reveal their little problem to the world in a panic as soon as the possibility of it being de-normalized occurs.... or that it's not real congress its watching other people engage in it.... which is rather pathetic no matter how you swing but somehow so many people are PROUD of it. Imagine, being proud of being pathetic.
So you are saying that everybody who plays games with NSFW content is a porn addict?. I would call this quite a stretch. Doing some resaearch shows that the fraction of porn addicts is much smaller than those who are buying and experiencing these games...

.. but that is not the topic of this thread. This thread is about unwanted mails and no matter if we are talking about nsfw, violent stuff or anything else ... the main problem here is simply that GOG does not offer an option to fine tune which e-mails you get and which e-mails you don't get ... and I think we can all agree on that.
Post edited 3 days ago by MarkoH01
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foad01: I am not offended. LOL.

Let me try to explain it differently. I think these outrage threads are ridiculous. The discussions are pointless because they have no result. It is just two groups fighting.

If people came here and simply say without a huge drama that they need a filter option and ask to support this wishlist entry you would see lots of agreement. GOG should implement these filters. They are really necessary.
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rambo919: Well you certainly react as if you are offended. If these threads are so ridiculous.... why engage with them at all unless you are trying to stop them happening? Not that I can see how any kind of bullying or social shaming will have that desired outcome...
Stop them happening? Bullying? Social shaming? Desired outcome? I've just told what happened here in the past and I told you what solution for this problem could be. Yes, I think the outrage is ridiculous. Why? I don't complain about the games I dislike in the same manner. That's all.

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foad01: I said it before. The discussions in older threads have no results. I simply don't play your game here because it will result in nothingness again. It is a dead end.
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rambo919: It's the Socratic Method mate.... not some kind of game.
Nope. You want to construct the typical bullshit where evil wankers are all addicts and need their material to fap. The brutal doods with their violent games can see the difference between reality and fiction. The porn addicts can't. They need to fap. This is basically what you are trying discuss in this thread since your first post. It is ridiculous. Why? This thread is about ads in an email. You need only one click to delete that email. The only thing that is missing in this thread is the religious nonsense where porn addicts are all satanists.

I've told you where the agreement is. My desired outcome? It is a filter option for everyone.
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rambo919: Nvm the porn addicts that reveal their little problem to the world in a panic as soon as the possibility of it being de-normalized occurs.... or that it's not real congress its watching other people engage in it.... which is rather pathetic no matter how you swing but somehow so many people are PROUD of it. Imagine, being proud of being pathetic.
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MarkoH01: So you are saying that everybody who plays games with NSFW content is a porn addict?. I would call this quite a stretch. Doing some resaearch shows that the fraction of porn addicts is much smaller than those who are buying and experiencing these games...

.. but that is not the topic of this thread. This thread is about unwanted mails and no matter if we are talking about nsfw, violent stuff or anything else ... the main problem here is simply that GOG does not offer an option to fine tune which e-mails you get and which e-mails you don't get ... and I think we can all agree on that.
No was pointing to a type of reaction I have observed.... that always pops its head out. A completely irrational panicked defensiveness. Some people can consume this type of content non-compulsively but mostly it's compulsive hyperventilating type behaviour. I have also noticed a lot of people refer to the use of such material as masculine expression to use one kind of euphemism as if it makes them more manly than those that don't.

The "how DARE you threaten my addiction stream" kind of response. The problem with porn addiction especially in the modern world where the material is simply everywhere is a lot of people don't realize they are addicted.... until they try to stop for an extended period of time. That happens because it masks itself with the normal sex drive which itself is relentless.
so i need to ask why are you not sharing?
leaving us high and dry here
Post edited 3 days ago by XeonicDevil
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MarkoH01: So you are saying that everybody who plays games with NSFW content is a porn addict?. I would call this quite a stretch. Doing some resaearch shows that the fraction of porn addicts is much smaller than those who are buying and experiencing these games...

.. but that is not the topic of this thread. This thread is about unwanted mails and no matter if we are talking about nsfw, violent stuff or anything else ... the main problem here is simply that GOG does not offer an option to fine tune which e-mails you get and which e-mails you don't get ... and I think we can all agree on that.
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rambo919: No was pointing to a type of reaction I have observed.... that always pops its head out. A completely irrational panicked defensiveness. Some people can consume this type of content non-compulsively but mostly it's compulsive hyperventilating type behaviour. I have also noticed a lot of people refer to the use of such material as masculine expression to use one kind of euphemism as if it makes them more manly than those that don't.

The "how DARE you threaten my addiction stream" kind of response. The problem with porn addiction especially in the modern world where the material is simply everywhere is a lot of people don't realize they are addicted.... until they try to stop for an extended period of time. That happens because it masks itself with the normal sex drive which itself is relentless.
I doubt that many who post here are actually addicted - myself included. I also doubt that playing such games or reading such VNs makes you more or less manly. I simply think that if you enjoy something - as long as you don't hurt others - go for it and don't feel ashamed to do what you like. I personally see these games simply as a differnet genre - nothing more. I have 1218 games and 60 of them are tagged as being NSFW. Sometimes I like to play an action game, sometimes I like to play a point and click and sometimes I like to play some NSFW game. It's hard for me to understand (just my personal opinion) why some people react so extreme to any games that have sexual content in it ... no matter if it's explicit or not ... even some breasts are too much for some (general observation not adressed at the OP). I know that these people do exist but I have trouble understanding why they get so angry about it. In games we like to experience things we normally never could or would. Videogames are all about make believe and letting us live out whatever the game lets us imagine. All we want is having a good time - no matter the type of game. If people enjoy reenacting WWII... have fun ... if people think it is funny to play a political game about opressing a country - no problem for me as well and if people think it's fun to imagine a world in which a guy scores several girls at the same time .. why not? Live and let live. A game is a game. As long as we are aware what's game and what's reality - as long as we are aware that normal relationship works differently and normal people in most cases react differently and war is always wrong and cruel and should be avoided I will never ever see a problem. It is just fiction.
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scientiae: You seem to be saying that being triggered is some sort of personal choice.
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FarkOfDoge: Unless one has some mental condition that makes ignoring such things and doing one's best to not be offended difficult then it most certainly is. Most 'normal people' can craft and hold onto their morals and react to things as they wish.
You may have the entire Overton stratification for people choosing to be offended. I concur 100%.
My point was that there exists a group of people who are vulnerable and assumptions that may have a material impact on them should be avoided, because some people did not choose. Some people had the phobia thrust upon them by circumstances beyond their control. There are serious consequences for these ailments, beyond projectile vomiting and morbid tachycardia. Those people should not be hurt, cannot we agree?
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scientiae: Those people should not be hurt, cannot we agree?
If said individuals have problems of such a severity then it's better they avoid such situations and arenas of life (irl or online) rather than force everyone else to mold their responses to account for such possible reactions. As Twain (more or less) said, we should be able to have our steak even if some can't chew it.

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rambo919: You think those avenues have never been tried? That if they actually worked as advertised threads like this would be created? This is like telling someone to vote in a referendum where the votes are never counted and shut up because he does not get what he wants....
If people submit said suggestions and gog (more or less) says no, then the answer is no. No amount of extra posting about it on the forums is likely to change much(although said users are welcome to keep trying).

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rambo919: If you ever actually used something like that you would know they block entire websites...
My point was that there are better solutions than constantly re-performing the definition of insanity via the forum.

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rambo919: Beware the power of irony.
Did I ever say I wasn't ever narcissistic ? ;)
Post edited 2 days ago by FarkOfDoge