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Gerin: Hi - a friend is trying to stop smoking and is allergic to Chantix and the gum and patches. Do you who have walked in her shoes have a suggestion I can pass on? Is she doomed to doing it the hard way? Thank you for any input.
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fortune_p_dawg: Imagine that every time you take a draw you're inhaling a fistful of coarse human hair, which will then remain inside of your lungs until the day you're ready to begin choking it all up. I did this when I had a nasty chest cold about five years ago, and it worked wonderfully for me. Just the thought of a cigarette made me gag.
I did say it was a necro, Gerin hasnt posted in this topic for coming up 3 years.
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fortune_p_dawg: Imagine that every time you take a draw you're inhaling a fistful of coarse human hair, which will then remain inside of your lungs until the day you're ready to begin choking it all up. I did this when I had a nasty chest cold about five years ago, and it worked wonderfully for me. Just the thought of a cigarette made me gag.
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reaver894: I did say it was a necro, Gerin hasnt posted in this topic for coming up 3 years.
LMAO! Never to late to quit!

:-P
I quit smoking about 5 years ago (after smoking for almost 20) and the hardest part for me wasn't needing a nicotine fix, it was missing the act itself. It had become a form of fidgeting for me, something to do with my hands. Every time I'd try to quit, it would seem like I'd make it past the nicotine withdrawal, only to cave in a couple weeks or months later because I just missed smoking. I had a persistent cough, and I have heavy asthma myself, so I really had to quit. Oddly enough, the thing that ended up being the most effective for me was to cut straws to cigarette length and stuff a bit of cotton in one end. This gave it a bit of weight, and made it feel much like a cigarette when I'd go through the motions of "taking a drag." Whenever I had a cigarette craving, I'd make myself "pretend to smoke" with a cotton-stuffed straw for ten minutes first. It felt stupid as shit, but I came to realize it was the act I was needing, and my craving for a smoke would rarely survive long enough for me to cave in a real one afterwards.
This clearly won't work for everyone, and probably sounds completely ridiculous, but it really helped.

Another thing I'll say, my asthma was nasty most of my life, and had gotten really bad again before I quit. By the time I had made it a year (which isn't easy by any means) I started really feeling a dramatic improvement in my breathing. My persistent cough slowed much earlier than that, but by a year's time, I was honestly blown away.

Last bit of input: work out on paper just how much you smoke a day, and how much you spend daily/weekly on cigarettes. When you quit, keep the money you would have been spending on smokes in a jar, and let it collect. Set yourself a goal (a week, a month, whatever feels like a real challenge but not unattainable) and, if you make it as long as you set out to without a smoke, empty out the jar, count your winnings and either pay off a bill that's been hanging over your head or treat yourself to some video games or something nice. Actually seeing how much money is going out the door for a bad habit had a real impact on me. I could easily do the math in my head, and knew for years I was throwing a lot of money away, but finding ways to make that more concrete and real in my life really helped change my perspective as well.

Don't give up! :)
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akhliber: I quit smoking about 5 years ago (after smoking for almost 20) and the hardest part for me wasn't needing a nicotine fix, it was missing the act itself. It had become a form of fidgeting for me, something to do with my hands.
A friend of a friend noticed this as well. He tried to quit overnight, and quickly noticed that each time he stepped out of a building, he automatically patted his pockets where the cigarettes no longer were.

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akhliber: Last bit of input: work out on paper just how much you smoke a day, and how much you spend daily/weekly on cigarettes. When you quit, keep the money you would have been spending on smokes in a jar, and let it collect. Set yourself a goal (a week, a month, whatever feels like a real challenge but not unattainable) and, if you make it as long as you set out to without a smoke, empty out the jar, count your winnings and either pay off a bill that's been hanging over your head or treat yourself to some video games or something nice. Actually seeing how much money is going out the door for a bad habit had a real impact on me. I could easily do the math in my head, and knew for years I was throwing a lot of money away, but finding ways to make that more concrete and real in my life really helped change my perspective as well.
Another anecdote. A co-worker of an acquaintance wondered how on earth said acquaintance could afford to buy, let alone run, a motorcycle in addition to all the usual stuff. They had a similar wage and roughly similar expenses, with one small difference: the one with the motorcycle did not smoke a pack a day (about 5.50€ at the time, I think) or drink beer every single weekend. Once this point had been driven home, the other bloke quit smoking and significantly cut down on his drinking. Three years later, he bought himself a nice bike and all the required bells and whistles.
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akhliber: I quit smoking about 5 years ago (after smoking for almost 20) and the hardest part for me wasn't needing a nicotine fix, it was missing the act itself. It had become a form of fidgeting for me, something to do with my hands. Every time I'd try to quit, it would seem like I'd make it past the nicotine withdrawal, only to cave in a couple weeks or months later because I just missed smoking. I had a persistent cough, and I have heavy asthma myself, so I really had to quit. Oddly enough, the thing that ended up being the most effective for me was to cut straws to cigarette length and stuff a bit of cotton in one end. This gave it a bit of weight, and made it feel much like a cigarette when I'd go through the motions of "taking a drag." Whenever I had a cigarette craving, I'd make myself "pretend to smoke" with a cotton-stuffed straw for ten minutes first. It felt stupid as shit, but I came to realize it was the act I was needing, and my craving for a smoke would rarely survive long enough for me to cave in a real one afterwards.
This clearly won't work for everyone, and probably sounds completely ridiculous, but it really helped.

Another thing I'll say, my asthma was nasty most of my life, and had gotten really bad again before I quit. By the time I had made it a year (which isn't easy by any means) I started really feeling a dramatic improvement in my breathing. My persistent cough slowed much earlier than that, but by a year's time, I was honestly blown away.

Last bit of input: work out on paper just how much you smoke a day, and how much you spend daily/weekly on cigarettes. When you quit, keep the money you would have been spending on smokes in a jar, and let it collect. Set yourself a goal (a week, a month, whatever feels like a real challenge but not unattainable) and, if you make it as long as you set out to without a smoke, empty out the jar, count your winnings and either pay off a bill that's been hanging over your head or treat yourself to some video games or something nice. Actually seeing how much money is going out the door for a bad habit had a real impact on me. I could easily do the math in my head, and knew for years I was throwing a lot of money away, but finding ways to make that more concrete and real in my life really helped change my perspective as well.

Don't give up! :)
I know that feeling, ive started chewing my nails which is no better lol.
I don't get why this is such an issue for so many people. Granted, I'm a non-smoker so I can't really understand it, but a flatmate of mine who did smoke was able to quit fairly easy. He got so good at it, in fact, that he quit smoking several times a day.

Should I track him down so he can pass on his knowledge to you guys?
Quitting involves two separate processes; physical addiction to nicotine and psychological habits. You have to tackle both of them at once and that isnt easy!

It sounds like you're managing the physical addiction fairly well if you got through two weeks - GOOD FOR YOU!! ;-D

Now you need to tackle the psychological habit part - using a cigarette as a stress reliever. Biting your nails is a pretty good indicator that this is exactly where you're stumbling, so you need to replace the bad habit of smoking with something else.

Suggestions in this thread included;
~Make a list of all the horrible reasons why smoking is bad for you
~Make a list of all the good reasons why quitting is good for you - money, health, happier in general, people happier to be around you when you don't stink ;-p
~Replace the oral habit with something else - gum, lollipops, seeds, a straw with cotton on the end ;-)
~Walk off your stress - use the time you would have taken to smoke to climb a flight of stairs or walk around the block - get those endorphins pumping to replace the metabolic high smoking used to give you.
~ Buy and use those stress ball thingys
~Change any kind of interaction wherein people are smoking or things like drinking that lower your resistance/that you associate with smoking.
~Set up a reward system for each day you don't smoke - I dunno maybe buy a game with the money you saved each day. Plan a trip. Only you know will work to motivate you but write it down and post it where you can see it
~Call or meet with someone that supports your effort to quit - maybe even promise them that you will do it. Being accountable to someone else can really motivate some people.

We're ALL cheering for you and we know you can do it! ;-)
Post edited February 03, 2014 by Momo1991
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Momo1991: Quitting involves two separate processes; physical addiction to nicotine and psychological habits. You have to tackle both of them at once and that isnt easy!

It sounds like you're managing the physical addiction fairly well if you got through two weeks - GOOD FOR YOU!! ;-D

Now you need to tackle the psychological habit part - using a cigarette as a stress reliever. Biting your nails is a pretty good indicator that this is exactly where you're stumbling, so you need to replace the bad habit of smoking with something else.

Suggestions in this thread included;
~Make a list of all the horrible reasons why smoking is bad for you
~Make a list of all the good reasons why quitting is good for you - money, health, happier in general, people happier to be around you when you don't stink ;-p
~Replace the oral habit with something else - gum, lollipops, seeds, a straw with cotton on the end ;-)
~Walk off your stress - use the time you would have taken to smoke to climb a flight of stairs or walk around the block - get those endorphins pumping to replace the metabolic high smoking used to give you.
~ Buy and use those stress ball thingys
~Change any kind of interaction wherein people are smoking or things like drinking that lower your resistance/that you associate with smoking.
~Set up a reward system for each day you don't smoke - I dunno maybe buy a game with the money you saved each day. Plan a trip. Only you know will work to motivate you but write it down and post it where you can see it
~Call or meet with someone that supports your effort to quit - maybe even promise them that you will do it. Being accountable to someone else can really motivate some people.

We're ALL cheering for you and we know you can do it! ;-)
Cheers Momo1991. Very motivational, Once again reinforcing your status as our forum resident mom :-D
I am a non-smoker with lungs so shitty that they may as well be made of papier mache. It astounds me that people would destroy their lovely healthy pink lungs with smoking. Yet my step-father died last year of small-cell lung cancer from a lifetime of smoking, and continued to smoke through his chemo. My brother was diagnosed with a shadow on his lung a few years ago, and that hasn't stopped him either. So I understand that it is both physically and psychologically addictive.

The best advice I've found for quitting is (1) stay away from other smokers and (2) avoid your smoking triggers.

The first one I see in operation as both my brother and his wife smoke, and each time one of them manages to quit, the other eventually draws them back into it, if unintentionally. If you have the option of staying away from smokers, that will help you immensely.

The second one helps you break the psychological aspect of the addiction. If you have a routine that includes smoking, then your body will set off "alarms" at these times, regardless of the actual neurological craving. As others have said, it's best to quit during a time when you are making a huge break from routine, such as on a long vacation. The interruption of the your regular schedule makes it easier to subvert your body's cigarette alarm clock.

Substitutes, therapy, medication, or 12-step programs may or may not help, depending on your own nature. Humans are too complex and diverse for there to be a one-size answer for something like this. But the fact that you are ready to try quitting is the vital first step, and I wish you much luck in the effort!
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IAmSinistar: (2) avoid your smoking triggers.
That might be difficult, I stop for a mug of tea i had a cig after, one in the car to and from work, one after dinner and usually 2-3 in the evening at the computer or telly.
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IAmSinistar: (2) avoid your smoking triggers.
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reaver894: That might be difficult, I stop for a mug of tea i had a cig after, one in the car to and from work, one after dinner and usually 2-3 in the evening at the computer or telly.
Indeed. That's why an entire break from routine is often far more effective. I know it's impractical to suddenly take a vacation, but if you have one coming up, try to use that time as part of the effort to quit. Otherwise use some of the other excellent advice here, such as rationing yourself to specific times, and then one by one removing those allowances.
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KneeTheCap: Cough up some blood. That helped in my case, not even touched a cigarette since...
My grandfather said that he couldnt stop smoking. Then he got lung cancer and *poff* stopped smoking.

My other grandfather was the same, but he got stroke and then half paralyzed . Afterwards he was simply unable to even move his arms for quite sometime....so he too ended up stopping to smoke. Rather hard ways in my opinion.
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Gerin: Hi - a friend is trying to stop smoking and is allergic to Chantix and the gum and patches. Do you who have walked in her shoes have a suggestion I can pass on? Is she doomed to doing it the hard way? Thank you for any input.
Chewing flower seeds helped me a bit.

BUT... The cravings will never go away. I haven't smoked for about 10 years and I STILL get cravings for a smoke.
after 8pm on day 9, so far so good.

Coughing like mad but im told thats normal.
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reaver894: after 8pm on day 9, so far so good.

Coughing like mad but im told thats normal.
Yeah, it's normal.

I am just over one year without smoking, after pack or more per day for 22 years. I tried several times over the last 4 years to quit. This time it is working. Things that helped me over time:

Step by step eliminating parts of my smoking habit. First, never smoke in the house. For several years, even in bad weather, I would go outside to smoke, until it was unthinkable to smoke inside. This was good, too, because then almost everywhere in the US has become no smoking in any public building. I was ahead of the game. Then, no smoking in my car, ever. This made long trips a little annoying for me, because I had to choose to stop and get out to have a cigarette. It was good for my passengers, though. Another that helped me is that I quit drinking years and years ago. At the time, I would still go to bars quite often, since my friends all went there and it was my social habit to go. But, over the years it has become that I go to bars almost never. Of course, now bars are non-smoking, but people still crowd around the doors outside to smoke. But I am not there, so no temptation.

When I stopped, I picked a long weekend and did not schedule anything to do. If I got miserable, I took a nap. That worked well. The worst was actually two weeks into it my back hurt me terribly. It was the stress of not smoking and working full days. Boy, was I in pain. But, I made it thorugh a week of pain with painkillers and patience. Things got better after that.

There is no one size fits all way to quit. Do what works. If you fall, get back on the horse, but don't get all mad at yourself. Some people find talking about it with a group or with friends helps. I mostly did not like to talk about it. I didn't even tell many people at all that I was quitting until it had been over a month. Like I said, whatever works for you, do it.

Best of luck!