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keeveek: You can? I've read somewhere that they disabled that option because it might make bad publicity. (yeah, seriously)
You can become betrothed to anyone at any age, but the marriage doesn't actually happen until they turn 16. My 50 year old king got engaged to a 9 year old because it was "politically advantageous". I was icked out.
So you can't marry them until 16. Ok, it's not really historically accurate, but it's better than nothing.

I wonder why they were afraid that it may cause a scandal, to let 50-year-old guy marry 12-year-old child. There's no sexual content in the game anyway, so what's the problem?
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keeveek: There's no sexual content in the game anyway, so what's the problem?
Shogun 2 devs patched all geisha to be over 18 in the first update IIRC.
Political correctivenes lvl: absurd...
At least they left incest in.
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AFnord: Tell us what you think about it once you have had a chance to spend some time with the full game. Paradox titles are usually notoriously buggy on release, but CK2 beta testers have said that this is most likely Paradox's best release to date (in terms of how bug free it is).
And you just reminded me that I have not got Sengoku yet, so my Paradox collection is not entirely complete :(.
I'm hoping it's pretty bug free. The demo had some issues but nothing really game breaking that I encountered.

As much as I like Paradox, if the game is a buggy mess I'm going to be really really pissed off. :(
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AFnord: And yea, I've had a few people in EU: Rome with absolutely horrendous traits, and lots of them. I once had one who had so many traits that when i checked my nobles, his traits filled the entire trait space. He was one of the worst guys I've ever seen, bad at everything, everyone hated him (which might have been a good thing), and he was ambitious. I ended up assassinating him, and no-one seemed to care (I usually just put unruly nobles in jail, as it is a safer bet, and then I let them rot there, but he was a special case).
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grviper: Here's one.
A humble ambitious pious devout zealous generous shrewd narrowminded reckless rash arrogant dumb deceitful weakwilled submissive unnoticeable energetic maniac.
At least he is loyal, though with that popularity, I can't imagine him being the best province governor.
I just searched through the list of nobles in my current game, but I could not find anyone even close to him.
Also, going a tad bit OOT here, do you have any suggestions on how to break up a Carthagan/Roman alliance? Instead of starting a war early on in the game, they decided to become best friends, and have now together been bullying every other nation they can find. I'm currently playing Macedonia and while I'm in a strong position (colonized far to the north, taken over most of Greece, with the exception of one area owned by Rome and the area furthest to the south, which Sparta owns, but if Rome or Carthage decides to declare war on me, I'm not going to be able to stand up against them.

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AFnord: And you just reminded me that I have not got Sengoku yet, so my Paradox collection is not entirely complete :(.
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Hawk52: I'm hoping it's pretty bug free. The demo had some issues but nothing really game breaking that I encountered.

As much as I like Paradox, if the game is a buggy mess I'm going to be really really pissed off. :(
PenutBrittle said that it is the least buggy Paradox release he has ever played, judging by his review copy, which sounds very promising. There will of course be a few bugs (no Paradox game is complete without them), but it would at least seem like it will be enjoyable on release.

And I have by the way remedied my lack of Sengoku since my last post.
Post edited February 13, 2012 by AFnord
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AFnord: Also, going a tad bit OOT here, do you have any suggestions on how to break up a Carthagan/Roman alliance?
No earthly clue, this is literally from my first game in Rome (and as Rome). Busy getting barbarians off my face (preventive cleanups FTW) and colonizing, since the bloody nationalists in annexed civs are more trouble than a good horde.

Heh, I spotted your thread at PP.

I'm looking froward to getting CK2 when it drops to 10 and people do all the extra testing for me :)
I just played about two hours of the demo of CK2 and holy crap: I am so overwhelmed by the depth of the game. There are so many things that go on and stuff to manage, and also a lot of just sitting around waiting for stuff to happen. I wish that I could save my game though in the demo.
It looks overwhelming at start. But as soon as you get the basics, the gameplay is getting more and more satisfying.No other game has such deep realm menagement features.

Damn, I wish my notebook was able to run this thing. My v-card is too weak to run the demo... Same thing with Sengoku, which is currently on sale on gamersgate...
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SheBear: I just played about two hours of the demo of CK2 and holy crap: I am so overwhelmed by the depth of the game. There are so many things that go on and stuff to manage, and also a lot of just sitting around waiting for stuff to happen. I wish that I could save my game though in the demo.
The hardest part of the demo for me to adapt to was having unlimited power as King of Poland, but having no direct control over anything. It's a very weird feeling. I kept having thoughts like "I'm clearly playing wrong, nothing's happening!" but the game is more about setting the steps towards ultimate goals then constantly being on the move. I finally figured out that I shouldn't rush, and instead step by step plan my moves and how to accomplish them.

By the end of my last demo run, even though I was playing as nice as possible, my King hated EVERYONE. He hated his wife, he hated his daughter, he hated everyone in his court. The only person he liked was his mother, who at 50 years old had decided she wanted to be the new Spymaster...
Oh lawl. Sengoku has "legacy mode" implemented in some patch to downgrade the graphics to SM 2.0 and being able to work on my freaking laptop. I'm amazed. Im outta here to play some awesomeness.
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AFnord: Also, going a tad bit OOT here, do you have any suggestions on how to break up a Carthagan/Roman alliance?
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grviper: No earthly clue, this is literally from my first game in Rome (and as Rome). Busy getting barbarians off my face (preventive cleanups FTW) and colonizing, since the bloody nationalists in annexed civs are more trouble than a good horde.

Heh, I spotted your thread at PP.
Ah, darn, I seem to be quite easy to track these days :P

I think I'll have to abandon my current game though, there is absolutely no way for me to stand up against those Romans. It is by the way quite interesting to see how incredibly different the different nations handles their internal politics and courts. For an example with Rome you need to worry about the senate and what they think (which is an entire game in itself), while as Macedonia I'm free to appoint people to specific roles in my court.

And I'll probably do the same thing, wait for a few patches, though I'll probably end up buying CK2 before August, somehow I just can't stay away.
Got this one pre-ordered. I've been looking forward to this game for a long time. :)
Did they DRM the DLC?
http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/showthread.php?585347-First-Impression-of-New-DLC-Policy-%28GamersGate%29&p=13431051&viewfull=1#post13431051