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Aningan: Buy it when it will be released on GOG :)
Hehe, hoping EA will release another good shooter here soon . . . no need to wait . . . =)
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Aningan: Buy it when it will be released on GOG :)
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Stuff: Hehe, hoping EA will release another good shooter here soon . . . no need to wait . . . =)
I heard thursday is the new tuesday, and that we won't get any new games until then. Also most of the staff is probably drunk at e3 right now so there's that.
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predcon: It's a variation on the Alien gestation method. It's in line with Duke Nukem's overall theme of sex. It's meant to show how bad the bad guys are.
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GameRager: This....they're showing how the aliens use the women and makes you hate them even more. It's integral to the game in a way.
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GoJays2025: My take on it is that it's not really about promoting rape or being overly shocking as much as it's just in poor taste. I mean, they tried to make it a joke but it ends up falling flat because it's simply not witty or funny in any way, and it just makes the scene come off as very sadistic.
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GameRager: I agree it's not that good a scene but I don;t find it offensive as some do. I mean it's part of the Dukeverse, and shows more of the aliens behond the scenes bad deeds.

I wonder how they'd have the scene pulled off if they could change it though. Maybe just show women in tubes with fat bellies surrounded by chiffon curtains while soft music plays? Maybe the aliens wine and dine the women beforehand? But then that would be so realistic, what with the aliens being polite chaps and all in their invasion.
Rape is also integral to the story of those Japanese rape games. ;)
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GameRager: As I said i'm into dark humor. If this makes people hate me I could care less.
There's a difference between dark humor and coming off as a pro-rape activist, you know.

But I guess if that would make people hate you, you couldn't care less, because you're an introvert and you don't need people.
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GameRager: As I said i'm into dark humor. If this makes people hate me I could care less.
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stonebro: There's a difference between dark humor and coming off as a pro-rape activist, you know.

But I guess if that would make people hate you, you couldn't care less, because you're an introvert and you don't need people.
Not pro-rape, but go ahead and ad hominem if you want.........also nice logical fallacy....if one laughs at rape jokes that means they're pro-rape? :\
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Tulivu: Rape is also integral to the story of those Japanese rape games. ;)
It's more like in movies or books where there's a rape scene and people consider it integral to the story....maybe the scene in DNF could have been done better but it's still integral to the game.

(An aside...I wonder if some object to what I say because I show the dark crap hiding within them but instead of hiding it I am open about it & by denying me they try to deny that part of themselves? Enough philosophy though for now)
Post edited June 14, 2011 by GameRager
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GameRager: It's more like in movies or books where there's a rape scene and people consider it integral to the story....maybe the scene in DNF could have been done better but it's still integral to the game.
This is about right, IMO. They really F'ed it up, though. Not even in dark humor taste. I will not buy it but it isn't any more harmful than any other crap out there.
I think DN3D skirted the edge of S&P with the semi-nude women encased in pods or hanging from the ceiling by alien vine things, or restrained to those green post things. And then more Mortal Kombat happened, and Soldier of Fortune, and a bunch of other bloody and nudie games.

But yeah, I don't think anyone would go so far as to have Duke happen upon a bunch of pig cops holding down a chick and snatching her clothes off in preparation to gang bang her. I think "gang of baddies slowly closing in on cornered woman, and then Duke saves the day" is the closest they'll get to that.
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Until A Clockwork Orange 2 comes out.
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predcon: I think DN3D skirted the edge of S&P with the semi-nude women encased in pods or hanging from the ceiling by alien vine things, or restrained to those green post things. And then more Mortal Kombat happened, and Soldier of Fortune, and a bunch of other bloody and nudie games.

But yeah, I don't think anyone would go so far as to have Duke happen upon a bunch of pig cops holding down a chick and snatching her clothes off in preparation to gang bang her. I think "gang of baddies slowly closing in on cornered woman, and then Duke saves the day" is the closest they'll get to that.
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Until A Clockwork Orange 2 comes out.
That film is seriously twisted.....but is oddly intriguing.
Post edited June 14, 2011 by GameRager
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predcon: I think DN3D skirted the edge of S&P with the semi-nude women encased in pods or hanging from the ceiling by alien vine things, or restrained to those green post things. And then more Mortal Kombat happened, and Soldier of Fortune, and a bunch of other bloody and nudie games.

But yeah, I don't think anyone would go so far as to have Duke happen upon a bunch of pig cops holding down a chick and snatching her clothes off in preparation to gang bang her. I think "gang of baddies slowly closing in on cornered woman, and then Duke saves the day" is the closest they'll get to that.
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GameRager: That film is seriously twisted.....but is oddly intriguing.
Try the book.
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Tulivu: Try the book.
I'm afraid to. BRB goin to gAMEstop.
Post edited June 14, 2011 by GameRager
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GameRager: 1. No, but it's like fat jokes......not that bad really. You're acting like blonde jokes are unacceptable evils of society or akin to racist comments against minorities.
I'll say that blonde jokes are an unacceptable (but accepted) evil of society.
They affect blonde women exactly in the way racial stereotypes affect minorities.

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GameRager: 2. By similar to real life rape I mean in that no one is hurt physically.....maybe emotionally but if you were raped or know someone who was or rape is a touchy subject for you then why buy the game at all?
It doesn't matter whether I buy the game or not: rape victims still have to share society with those who believe rape is no big deal.
DNF's brand of humor only emboldens them.

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GameRager: 3. I meant that many play games and kill/maim/etc and no one worries about it as much as with rape/nudity.
Murder isn't minimized as much and as often as rape. That is why people are less touchy about it.

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GameRager: 4. I meant they don't promote killing in real life......games don't make killers/etc.
I have already told you that many do.
Countless mainstream games set up a moral framework where killing is the "right" answer. So you can't dismiss this so easily.

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GameRager: Also yes finding it disturbing to the point that one makes it out to be as bad as IRL rape is being oversensitive.
I never claimed that this is as bad a IRL rape, that's another straw-man.


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GameRager: 5. Not really, just them having different views. Of course if it were 4chan it'd be a different story as you're not allowed to be sensitive there.
Why should I care about what 4chan does?


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GameRager: 6. Then don't play it. And let me enjoy it already.
You can't enjoy the game until I stop criticizing it? Don't worry then, I won't press this matter further.

And I'm aware of the Aliens reference. But in those movies, facehugging (which has blatant sexual undertones) is presented as an absolutely horrible experience. In DNF is used to set up tired cliches.
So has GameRager even started the game? It seems like he's spending all of his time criticizing people for not liking what they've seen of the game (and in some cases, what they've played).
Sorry, GR, but you just have to admit that you are a...

RAPE SUPPORTER!
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Bulletmagn3t: I'll say that blonde jokes are an unacceptable (but accepted) evil of society.
They affect blonde women exactly in the way racial stereotypes affect minorities.
They do not. Where do you live that blonde women are discriminated against so vehemently? "Oh look at this, Mr. Schwarz, there's a blonde Harvard business school graduate applying for this executive position. That blonde obviously whizzed through school on her good looks and enormous breasts, so lets pass her up." Yeah, that happens.

I live in the Deep frickin' South, where ignorance is King (a statement which is itself a quick judgement, but then I've been here a long time), and haven't heard a single Pollack joke (my surname is Lithuanian, but most can't tell the difference) in my twenty years here. People are a little more progressive, and a little less sensitive than you think. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Post edited June 14, 2011 by predcon
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predcon: They do not. Where do you live that blonde women are discriminated against so vehemently? "Oh look at this, Mr. Schwarz, there's a blonde Harvard business school graduate applying for this executive position. That blonde obviously whizzed through school on her good looks and enormous breasts, so lets pass her up." Yeah, that happens.

I live in the Deep frickin' South, where ignorance is King, and haven't heard a single Pollack joke (my surname is Lithuanian, but most can't tell the difference) in my twenty years here. People are a little more progressive, and a little less sensitive than you think. Welcome to the 21st Century.
Who said anything about "vehemently"? I live in Italy, the country of Silvio friggin' Berlusconi, and these kind of insinuations are made all the time.

Even where minorities aren't actively persecuted, stereotypes color people's judgments and expectations.

The 21st Century hasn't magically cured anything.