Delixe: Red Dead and LA Noir. It seems Rockstar are finished with the PC. At least I will assume so until someone from Rockstar says otherwise.

cw8: I don't even bother to check their updates now. Neither am I feeling any big loss with them abandoning the PC. It'll be good if they release for PC in future but in the mean time I'm not really bothered with them.

Delixe: I've never subscribed to that line of thinking. Any developer who abandons the PC is a big loss and one we never recover from. Even indie developers are starting to favor the Xbox arcade over the PC these days and if this trend continues into the next hardware generation PC releases will be treated as a novelty rather than the norm.

cw8: Xbox?? Time for me to quit gaming :D
Or I'll just replay the old PC games over and over.

Delixe: One thing console kiddies will never understand is GTA totally transforms on the PC when you can simply dick around with mods and trainers.

aymerict: I've never tried mods for GTA, what do they add to the games?

Delixe: Pretty much whatever you like really. There is a native trainer mod for GTA IV that allows you to change absolutely everything. Also the handling mod for the cars makes driving much less painful. There are teams working on porting GTA III, Vice City and San Andreas to GTA IV's Rage engine but we all know how well those massive mods work out...

Delixe: Point = missed.

Vault_Boy: In fact, I justplayed through the whole GTA IV complete until today. I just completed it becasue I felt I had to, like you watch some movies that don't interest you but everybody is talking about them. The game is boring, and controls range from bad to terrible (helicoperts, anyone?). I realize that some people like that "do some stuff you want that is optional" but for me, although I have always been a completionist, the sidequests and stuff were even more boring and I skipped most of it. The dialoge is nicely written, as are the details like radio ads, the city is atmospheric, too, but the stories themselves are nothing to write home about and pretty shallow if you play them through and skip the optional stuff. And graphicswise I don't understand how this game can be so demanding at all.

All in all mediocre and, for me as it is the first GTA in 3D, I enjoyed GTA 1 more back then.

cheesetruncheon: I didn't like GTA IV it just felt like crap,played like crap, drove like crap, was way up it's own arse about giving some kind of message and not being y'know fun and everything looked like it had baby food smeared over it. Although, I did play PS3 version.

and no I haven't played any of the DLC, because why should I pay more to actually have fun in a game I bought?

Just Cause 2 knocked the spots off of GTA IV.

DrakeFox: snip

cw8: Yeah, I know. Just that the industry doesn't seem to listen to us much, sadly.

POLE7645: It's probably very demanding because that the city is huge, and that there are literally thousand of pedestrians (that are almost as detailed as the main characters) NPCs that the game control simultaniously (not counting the cars). I once saw the whole city from the top of a building and the whole thing was still moving (the cars still stopped at the lights, etc.). I found it all very impressive.