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Posted November 29, 2012
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Kristian: The next bundles with be the Humble Origin Bundle, The Humble Securom Bundle, The Humble UPlay Bundle and the Humble GFWL Bundle. Heck they even let GFWL through in this first bundle. YUCK.
Uh.

Where the hell are you getting that from? None of the games use GFWL! If you mean the retail boxes, they all say "Games for Windows", that's the brand. None of these use Live.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Foxhack
Posted November 29, 2012
Hmm, bought this before I realized it was steam only. I don't really mind steam, but I'm a bit disappointed I guess. The only two games I didn't have was red factions and saints row, but I guess it's still a decent deal for those two plus soundtracks.
Posted November 29, 2012
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Kristian: For me the cross-platform thing is more important than DRM free. But they are about equal ina Humble Bundle context.
Than i hope that you already complained about the windows only Amnesia Fortnight Bundle?
Posted November 29, 2012
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Kristian: The next bundles with be the Humble Origin Bundle, The Humble Securom Bundle, The Humble UPlay Bundle and the Humble GFWL Bundle. Heck they even let GFWL through in this first bundle. YUCK.
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Foxhack: Uh.

Where the hell are you getting that from? None of the games use GFWL! If you mean the retail boxes, they all say "Games for Windows", that's the brand. None of these use Live.
I am sorry for that I was confusing Red Faction Guerilla and Red Faction Armageddon, the former is on this list as using GFWL: http://steamdrm.flibitijibibo.com/index.php?page=DRM_Lists/The_Big_DRM_List
Post edited November 29, 2012 by Kristian
Posted November 29, 2012
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kalirion: Nice? what did you buy at?
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SCPM: 1.07 I intend to hold, but we'll see what happens tomorrow.
Yeah, I should've held but jumped the gun and sold at 1.39. Only had 100 shares, so the trade fees only left me $8 profit.
Posted November 29, 2012
just a thought ..... how do companies credit this thing on taxes?

like, say, is it just the HIB that claims the charity donations or do the companies claim whatever loss they took on underselling the games as a charitable donation too?

if the latter is the case this whole thing may actually be about THQ looking to get some major ass tax breaks at the end of the year. HIB states that this bundle is worth $190.00 at regular price, if THQ credits the under sale to be a charitable donation to raise money you are looking at about $185.00 of "charitable donation" per bundle.

as it stands that would be somewhere around $4.5 million dollars of tax write off.
Posted November 29, 2012
Does anyone think that this one will get late extras, like the previous humble bundles? I already own most of those games (the ones that interest me), but I'm wondering if I should buy it anyway in hope of getting the possible late additions which could include some that I'm actually interested (like Homefront and Stalker).
Posted November 29, 2012
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retsuseiba: Does anyone think that this one will get late extras, like the previous humble bundles? I already own most of those games (the ones that interest me), but I'm wondering if I should buy it anyway in hope of getting the possible late additions which could include some that I'm actually interested (like Homefront and Stalker).
I sure hope so. But it's all up to THQ.
Posted November 29, 2012
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Sogi-Ya: just a thought ..... how do companies credit this thing on taxes?

like, say, is it just the HIB that claims the charity donations or do the companies claim whatever loss they took on underselling the games as a charitable donation too?

if the latter is the case this whole thing may actually be about THQ looking to get some major ass tax breaks at the end of the year. HIB states that this bundle is worth $190.00 at regular price, if THQ credits the under sale to be a charitable donation to raise money you are looking at about $185.00 of "charitable donation" per bundle.

as it stands that would be somewhere around $4.5 million dollars of tax write off.
Probably more, since I have a feeling a LARGE portion of the "average" is actually going to charity, and a not in-significant portion to humble tip.

On the other hand, I doubt you can write off digital goods like that, or they could simply donate a billion keys to steamgifts and not pay taxes at all.
Post edited November 29, 2012 by kalirion
Posted November 29, 2012
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retsuseiba: Does anyone think that this one will get late extras, like the previous humble bundles? I already own most of those games (the ones that interest me), but I'm wondering if I should buy it anyway in hope of getting the possible late additions which could include some that I'm actually interested (like Homefront and Stalker).
Probably, trying to get more sales next week....
Posted November 29, 2012
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Sogi-Ya: just a thought ..... how do companies credit this thing on taxes?

like, say, is it just the HIB that claims the charity donations or do the companies claim whatever loss they took on underselling the games as a charitable donation too?

if the latter is the case this whole thing may actually be about THQ looking to get some major ass tax breaks at the end of the year. HIB states that this bundle is worth $190.00 at regular price, if THQ credits the under sale to be a charitable donation to raise money you are looking at about $185.00 of "charitable donation" per bundle.

as it stands that would be somewhere around $4.5 million dollars of tax write off.
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kalirion: Probably more, since I have a feeling a LARGE portion of the "average" is actually going to charity, and a not in-significant portion to humble tip.

On the other hand, I doubt you can write off digital goods like that, or they could simply donate a billion keys to steamgifts and not pay taxes at all.
yeah, but each copy IS a monetized commodity so by "giving" these to HIB as if they were a fundraising contribution they are giving away sales .... I'd guess that they can't claim the full value, but since they are giving away revenue, and each one is actually a sale unlike torrents .... but people do claim torrents as loss, so .... I'm guessing that I just dinged the core of THQ pulling this.
Posted November 29, 2012
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Kristian: Sure there will be other HIB bundles, but I am also certain there are companies out there who prior to this may have hesitantly allowed Humbe Bundle to ship DRM free, cross platform versions of some of their games in a HIB who will NOT be doing that now. I am also sure there are companies out there which GOG may have been able to persuade to sign on here which will not do so now.
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Zirun: Making a game DRM-free and cross-platform isn't something you decide on a whim. It's something you commit to from the beginning. If you decide later to do so, it costs a lot of time and money to fix, update, and test.

THQ is a AAA game creator. The games cost millions of dollars to produce and update. They're also a struggling company. Making their games cross-platform (and possibly DRM-free, as I don't know exactly the details about whether or not Steam has consolidated code for developers to use or whatever) would cost millions of dollars that they literally can't afford. There's no way, unless the games were already cross-platform, for THQ to make them so in their current situation.

Humble also happens to be by far the best-known bundle creator. They didn't choose to make the Humble THQ Bundle on a whim. The guys at Humble are also caring people, realizing that THQ needs help to keep afloat, and that they are probably the best option THQ has.

So either Humble rigidly adheres to the rules they have and the Humble THQ Bundle doesn't happen, or they make an exception to help a struggling company that delivers games everybody loves. I don't see why they would or should indiscriminately apply their rules to everybody in every situation, since every situation is different.
Said it best. The over-reaction here is outstanding and the attitude quite frankly disgusting in some cases.

Maybe I'm wrong and they'll have a similar bundle in the future but I would be very surprised if it wasn't with at least some good intentions like this - i.e. supporting a developer who desperately need the help.

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Kristian: Zirun, other development studios have done just that after being required to in order to be in a HIB. Like Double Fine Productions with Psychonauts. The game didn't have a Linux version before it was in the HIB, I don't think it was DRM free either before that. But they made that happen for the HIB, now no developer will make that happen because of the HIB.
You miss the point of what he said. Do you think Psychonauts was brought to Linux and lost its DRM overnight? Of course not - it was planned well in advance of the bundle's release. As Zirun said, these things aren't decided on a whim. They take time and money, things that THQ unfortunately do not have.
Posted November 29, 2012
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Sogi-Ya: yeah, but each copy IS a monetized commodity so by "giving" these to HIB as if they were a fundraising contribution they are giving away sales .... I'd guess that they can't claim the full value, but since they are giving away revenue, and each one is actually a sale unlike torrents .... but people do claim torrents as loss, so .... I'm guessing that I just dinged the core of THQ pulling this.
Like I said, what's stopping them from giving away a billion steam keys for free and claiming even $1 lost revenue for each one? A trillion steam keys?
Post edited November 29, 2012 by kalirion
Posted November 29, 2012
All the bitching going on in this thread is sad...


You know there is a cool concept if you do not like a certain deal....do not buy it....


Obviously, its pretty damn popular since they have already sold 260k+.


Not even amazon was able to put up this good of a deal, and I doubt this will be the normal occurence of steam only for a humble bundle. So what, they have released one bundle that does not allow crossover and is steam only. But it is a damn good deal considering some of the other crap that has come from the other sites like that SIM SHIT the other week. I did not like that one so you know what, I did not buy it=)

So if you are not happy with the thq bundle then wait for the next one, but bitching about it when it will most likely be the most popular so far is not going to get you anywhere. Good luck...be a little less angry in your life and enjoy the holidays coming up.
Posted November 29, 2012
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SirPrimalform: I don't use linux but I still respected them for demanding support for all 3 OSs and I've just lost a lot of respect for them.
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ne_zavarj: - you can only buy games from a major publisher
- you can only register it on a major digital platform

Ignore this . I'm too tired .
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SirPrimalform: No DRM-free downloads.

wat.
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Gazoinks: Well. That's certainly a thing. That kinda sucks.

In any case, probably won't get this, as I'm only really interested in Metro 2033, and only kind of vaguely.
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Wishbone: What the hell? Did Humble Bundle just throw all their software principles out the window? Steam-only and Windows-only? What happened?
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SirPrimalform: Apparently. I associated the word Humble in the bundle titles with those principles as much as I did the charitable element.
yea
don't like the precedence of humblebundle doing it instead of somebody else
windows only no drm free. not indy. not a real humble indy bundle,

And only really interested in metro 2033 and only vaguely. Then again I might send the minimum $1(anything less and its just soundtracks btw) to try it.

Then again steam. Guess it depends on what the drm is. if its securom i'd not even spend .01 on them.

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Then again it isn't really that bad I'm sure they'll still do the other stuff too, probably the next one even. bet this is an exception considering the usual cost of these
(it could also be good, attract attention to bundle and its a chance to get more mainstream games cheap. I doubt it'll get taken over with that sort of thing) I'd probably buy it but I doubt they'd run for me. lol. Still pay the min and hold onto it might throw it in with somebody's Christmas stuff if not sure i'd find something to do with it. its the same cost as a vending machine candy bar(or a fast food sandwich if I want saints row too) unless I choose to make it more.

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So what do people think of the games are they good selection? what should be paid? should I feel bad for wanting to do $1 :)

(I don't pay alot of attention to the new stuff on computers since no gaming rig and these look graphics heavy, all I've heard is a friend said darksiders sucked and i thought metro 2033 looked interesting but can't remember where I'd seen it)
Post edited November 29, 2012 by pseudonarne
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