Posted November 26, 2011

Elenarie
@tweetelenarie
Registered: Sep 2008
From Sweden

JMich
A Horrible Human Person. If you need me, chat.
Registered: Apr 2011
From Greece
Posted November 26, 2011

Go check the thread - I'll give you some room - the list was started over a year ago so perhaps the situation is different now if there has been a SP release for Win 7.
Me personally, i was having video card issues and had to keep Googling up various games looking for help. On quite a few occasions during my searches I kept passing up Win 7 questions and concerns.
Now obviously, if someone is looking to play the newest games on PC with full-on PS3 quality graphics they're going to have to have more RAM and more cores leaving Windows 7 the only option.
For myself and my needs, most of the games that I play are pre 2010. Granted I would like to play the new Bionic Commando but I've tested and managed to get two hundred or more different games running on my current OS - i'm not so keen for Commando as to lose compatibility with those other titles...even if only happens to be a dozen of them.
I do have several Steam titles that pretty much won't run on anything short of Win 7 but one, Darksiders, I learned yesterday that I have to unplug my game pad and play with mouse and keyboard which is a bit of a put off. It only cost me $5 anyway so I'm in no particular rush to get to it.
Additionally, if you have Win7 Pro or Ultimate (or Enterprise, which is basically Ultimate with another activation method), you can get Windows XP mode directly from microsoft, which is a pre-configured virtual machine with a good (though not perfect) integration with Win7.
So far (and I mean from the Win7 open beta), I haven't had any problems with any software I wanted to run, though if you have worries about specific titles, we can look into them more closely.
So, bottom line, 90% of the "will not work in win7" problems is actually user error, 9% is incompatible hardware, and about 1% is incompatible software, though the numbers are my personal experience only.

bladeofBG
FaceDaFaceO'Fear
Registered: Sep 2010
From Canada
Posted November 26, 2011

About switching to Win7 -- it's pretty awesome, but you definitely will run into compatibility problems once in a while. Not all the time, but occasionally. You could buy a separate hard drive or pull out an old one from somewhere and install WinXP on that for your incompatible stuff (dual boot on separate hard drives). Virtualization might work, but I haven't tested it yet.
Whatever you do, just don't mess with dual-boot WinXP and Win7 on a single hard drive -- it's more trouble than it's worth.
I've tried & found that BG1 + TotSC & BG2:SoA + ToB work fine despite that configuration.

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011

About switching to Win7 -- it's pretty awesome, but you definitely will run into compatibility problems once in a while. Not all the time, but occasionally. You could buy a separate hard drive or pull out an old one from somewhere and install WinXP on that for your incompatible stuff (dual boot on separate hard drives). Virtualization might work, but I haven't tested it yet.
Whatever you do, just don't mess with dual-boot WinXP and Win7 on a single hard drive -- it's more trouble than it's worth.

I've tried & found that BG1 + TotSC & BG2:SoA + ToB work fine despite that configuration.
Because that was the option that I was going to try if I became dependent on Win 7 to access more powerful components.
See, what I'm thinking is that MS knows a lot of people use their PC for gaming so they should've been more focused on the gaming aspect in Win 7 but I fear that they may, instead, have designed Win 7 to discourage PC gaming in hopes to chase everyone towards thier XBox.
Post edited November 26, 2011 by carnival73

Crag Hack
Pro Dogkicker!
Registered: Mar 2011
From Northern Mariana Islands
Posted November 26, 2011


And that did work, but I guess something I did also prevented my WinXP and Win7 from being able to access each other's partitions at all. Even with 3rd-party partitioning utilities, I couldn't "fix" the partitions to work with each other without reinstalling an OS and messing with the MBR again, still without a guarantee that everything would work this time. So I was stuck in a situation where my 320GB was split into 200GB when I booted Win7 and 120GB when I booted WinXP.
I did not want to spend a third day trying the same BS over and over until I got everything exactly right, so, yeah, I ended up getting rid of everything and installing a clean copy of WinXP. Oh, that and also because the wireless USB network adapter I found apparently never got a driver update for Win7.
Maybe someone did it correctly real easy-like, but yeah these are the reasons why I recommend not trying dual-boot on single HD..
I don't think you need to worry about Win7 being hard-coded against gaming, though. I really love the OS, it's just that it's sometimes too..... new. :)
Post edited November 26, 2011 by grape1829

Crassmaster
Right bastard
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted November 26, 2011


Go check the thread - I'll give you some room - the list was started over a year ago so perhaps the situation is different now if there has been a SP release for Win 7.
Me personally, i was having video card issues and had to keep Googling up various games looking for help. On quite a few occasions during my searches I kept passing up Win 7 questions and concerns.
Now obviously, if someone is looking to play the newest games on PC with full-on PS3 quality graphics they're going to have to have more RAM and more cores leaving Windows 7 the only option.
Of course, your later assertion than Win 7 is a conspiracy by Microsoft to force gamers to buy a 360 shows everyone where your mindset is yet again...since I seem to remember you also throwing on your tinfoil hat and protesting that .Net frameworks are nothing more than access portals for MS programmers to break in to your machine and delete and install whatever they want.

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011

Go check the thread - I'll give you some room - the list was started over a year ago so perhaps the situation is different now if there has been a SP release for Win 7.
Me personally, i was having video card issues and had to keep Googling up various games looking for help. On quite a few occasions during my searches I kept passing up Win 7 questions and concerns.
Now obviously, if someone is looking to play the newest games on PC with full-on PS3 quality graphics they're going to have to have more RAM and more cores leaving Windows 7 the only option.

Of course, your later assertion than Win 7 is a conspiracy by Microsoft to force gamers to buy a 360 shows everyone where your mindset is yet again...since I seem to remember you also throwing on your tinfoil hat and protesting that .Net frameworks are nothing more than access portals for MS programmers to break in to your machine and delete and install whatever they want.
Either way, with all hardware issues finally fixed and only having to work around SSE2 and game pad mapping strangeness, I'm personally not racing to Win 7 to open up a whole new can of worms and questions on myself again.
"Is it be the win 7?? Might be broken RAM...or possibly my haircut."

Crassmaster
Right bastard
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted November 26, 2011

Of course, your later assertion than Win 7 is a conspiracy by Microsoft to force gamers to buy a 360 shows everyone where your mindset is yet again...since I seem to remember you also throwing on your tinfoil hat and protesting that .Net frameworks are nothing more than access portals for MS programmers to break in to your machine and delete and install whatever they want.

Either way, with all hardware issues finally fixed and only having to work around SSE2 and game pad mapping strangeness, I'm personally not racing to Win 7 to open up a whole new can of worms and questions on myself again.
"Is it be the win 7?? Might be broken RAM...or possibly my haircut."

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011

Either way, with all hardware issues finally fixed and only having to work around SSE2 and game pad mapping strangeness, I'm personally not racing to Win 7 to open up a whole new can of worms and questions on myself again.
"Is it be the win 7?? Might be broken RAM...or possibly my haircut."


carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011
Here's the biggest thing to consider - when upgrading a new OS like Win 7 everyone promoting the OS is going to trip over themselves to make absolutely sure that most popular game titles are up and running on it.
So when it comes to Mr Same Guys, who all watch the Same Guy American Idol shows and all play the same Same Guys sports - they make up the majority of wallets.
So, for the most part everyone is going to be running around making sure that all of the top twenty Mr. Same Guy games are operational.
When it gets to the smaller demographic who have collected fifty odd games that no one has ever heard of it results in a question in a Win 7 forum that will either get no reply and sink quickly or get addressed with a snarky comment like "What kind of idiot would want to play a game like that anyway?"
So people will fire off tech support mails to Mr. No Reply or Mr. You'll Have to Write to Somebody Else.
Then finally call Mr. You Have to Give Me Your Credit Card Number Before I Talk To You and then give up and toss themselves out a Win 7 window.
Of course this isn't tested fact but based on past experiences I've had it would follow suite and leaves me suspicious like I am now.
So when it comes to Mr Same Guys, who all watch the Same Guy American Idol shows and all play the same Same Guys sports - they make up the majority of wallets.
So, for the most part everyone is going to be running around making sure that all of the top twenty Mr. Same Guy games are operational.
When it gets to the smaller demographic who have collected fifty odd games that no one has ever heard of it results in a question in a Win 7 forum that will either get no reply and sink quickly or get addressed with a snarky comment like "What kind of idiot would want to play a game like that anyway?"
So people will fire off tech support mails to Mr. No Reply or Mr. You'll Have to Write to Somebody Else.
Then finally call Mr. You Have to Give Me Your Credit Card Number Before I Talk To You and then give up and toss themselves out a Win 7 window.
Of course this isn't tested fact but based on past experiences I've had it would follow suite and leaves me suspicious like I am now.
Post edited November 26, 2011 by carnival73

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011
Also not to go too far off topic and I'm not saying that this turned out to be the fault of the OS.
But as for fandom and pretension preventing decent tech support I thought this was hilarious.
I forget which game it was but I was reading a thread in a forum where some kid was claiming crash on start up and someone goaded him for his system specs.....but it wasn't for purposes of genuine tech support but more expecting to clown him for attempting to run a uber powerful game on old obsolete hardware.
The kid with issues immediately replied that he had a top of the line PC running Win 7 and the rest of the thread was ghost town until the topic fell off the page. XD
But as for fandom and pretension preventing decent tech support I thought this was hilarious.
I forget which game it was but I was reading a thread in a forum where some kid was claiming crash on start up and someone goaded him for his system specs.....but it wasn't for purposes of genuine tech support but more expecting to clown him for attempting to run a uber powerful game on old obsolete hardware.
The kid with issues immediately replied that he had a top of the line PC running Win 7 and the rest of the thread was ghost town until the topic fell off the page. XD

Crassmaster
Right bastard
Registered: Sep 2008
From Canada
Posted November 26, 2011
And you have yet again gone flying off the rails. I don't even know what the point of those posts is, to be honest. More examples which in no way offer anything conclusive about supposed Win 7 related game issues. Huzzah.

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011

Because Joe could say that he got all 20 of his games working in Win 7 but those twenty games might all only be variations of Call of Duty and World of Warcraft.
The only solution resides in the individual themselves when deciding if they would rather have access to all the newer games risking possibility that some of the older games might not work or taking into consideration how much they have now, how much they invested in it and if they are ready to risk having to let go of it to move on.
I'm not totally anit-MS - I haven't gone scramblilng fo Ubutnu, MAC or Linux and praise Win XP to the stars I just know that others patriotism has often times left me empty handed without resolution - ie; being shit out of luck with a new game purchase because I'm the only person in existence to dare to own a not-as-popluar game pad.
Go check that Win 7 thread on here again - some kid requested that GOG intentionally start programming their releases to disregard Win XP. LOL! How would that fix Win 7?
Please, people! Why do I have to be Arian too? I look much better as a brunette!

Ric1987
Pimpalicious
Registered: Jul 2010
From United States
Posted November 26, 2011
I didn't discover GOG until after I upgraded to Windows 7 and I've barely had problems with any games.

carnival73
Zug Zug!
Registered: Sep 2010
From New Zealand
Posted November 26, 2011
I would say that best overall strategy for someone clinging desperately to old software would to be to try and hold out as long as they can to see if a major Win 7 SP gets released which will implement a much stronger backwards compatibility with XP.