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carnival73: I would say that best overall strategy for someone clinging desperately to old software would to be to try and hold out as long as they can to see if a major Win 7 SP gets released which will implement a much stronger backwards compatibility with XP.
Have you actually taken a look at what all those Windows updates do? Many of them have been compatibility improvements. Given that a service pack is essentially a bundle of such updates then you can rest assured that compatibility will be one of the things that SP2 improves over SP1.
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carnival73: See, what I'm thinking is that MS knows a lot of people use their PC for gaming so they should've been more focused on the gaming aspect in Win 7 but I fear that they may, instead, have designed Win 7 to discourage PC gaming in hopes to chase everyone towards thier XBox.
/facepalm
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carnival73: .NET seems to be more of an all-seeing eye than anything.
/facepalm

That is like saying Java or the Visual C++ redistributable packages are spyware.
Post edited November 26, 2011 by kavazovangel
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carnival73: I would say that best overall strategy for someone clinging desperately to old software would to be to try and hold out as long as they can to see if a major Win 7 SP gets released which will implement a much stronger backwards compatibility with XP.
WHY? One person after another talks about how they've had no or very little difficulty running games on Windows 7, so there is next to no reason to stick with an antiquated OS rather than updating to one with a much better UI and better protective measures in place.

Anyway, you're clearly not going to do more than just keep churning up the same 'points' I've already talked about, so whatever.

Though there is one thing I'm curious about...have you resisted installing things like newer and updated .net frameworks and other such software because you've decided they're spyware? Because that probably explains a lot of your software problems if indeed you have.
Post edited November 26, 2011 by Crassmaster
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carnival73: Go check that Win 7 thread on here again - some kid requested that GOG intentionally start programming their releases to disregard Win XP. LOL! How would that fix Win 7?
LOL what? It is a 10 year old obsolete operating system that only lives on because of zombie machines and old people that don't know any better. Extended support ends in 2014... it would finally die!
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carnival73: I would say that best overall strategy for someone clinging desperately to old software would to be to try and hold out as long as they can to see if a major Win 7 SP gets released which will implement a much stronger backwards compatibility with XP.
Stronger backwards compatibility for what, exactly?
Post edited November 26, 2011 by kavazovangel
Windows 7 is just the best version of Windows. Fast and stable. The compatibility is also better than any other version. I'm not saying everything you have will work, but I haven't had any problems.
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carnival73: See, what I'm thinking is that MS knows a lot of people use their PC for gaming so they should've been more focused on the gaming aspect in Win 7 but I fear that they may, instead, have designed Win 7 to discourage PC gaming in hopes to chase everyone towards thier XBox.
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kavazovangel: /facepalm
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carnival73: .NET seems to be more of an all-seeing eye than anything.
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kavazovangel: /facepalm

That is like saying Java or the Visual C++ redistributable packages are spyware.
Maybe a silly suggestion but it's not like I'm just pulling ideas like that out of a hat.

The most successful business's know how to heard consumers like cattle.

Most people are not going to have the complaints that I do because anything that they were looking for "They got it for the 360"

Let me ask you this: One day you walk into a shop and ask to purchase a 360 game but the shop tells you all they sell is PS3 and that you can get the same game for the PS3 but you don't want to have to pay several hundred for a new console when your XBox is still working fine and dandy.

So you step into every other shop in town only to find the same situation.

Let's say this is an ongoing occurance for two years straight - you're going to be a bit irritated that Sony has bought the world and that you're going to have to fall in line too.

But either way my statement was an aside and off topic and this is just taking it further off topic.

I personally think that hardware and software developers are only concerned with 'new' and 'improved', don't care rather or not Crusader No Remorse still works with their new hardware / software because most mainstream wallets won't really care either therefore when sotware / hardware gets developed there's not much focus on the old stuff so no one spends an extra year in development tweaking compatabilty for the old stuff.
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carnival73: I would say that best overall strategy for someone clinging desperately to old software would to be to try and hold out as long as they can to see if a major Win 7 SP gets released which will implement a much stronger backwards compatibility with XP.
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Crassmaster: WHY? One person after another talks about how they've had no or very little difficulty running games on Windows 7, so there is next to no reason to stick with an antiquated OS rather than updating to one with a much better UI and better protective measures in place.

Anyway, you're clearly not going to do more than just keep churning up the same 'points' I've already talked about, so whatever.

Though there is one thing I'm curious about...have you resisted installing things like newer and updated .net frameworks and other such software because you've decided they're spyware? Because that probably explains a lot of your software problems if indeed you have.
Naw, rather I am or am not being monitored through the internet I really don't care - it's more of a hassle to keep trying to side step .NET then just go ahead and install every version that gets offered.

.NET was an aggravation back when I first started fixing up this old PC because it was overrun with malware and I was running around tracing and pulling proceesses so all the while I'm trying to bat down unwanted connections I was constantly tripping over .NET tricks and gags. Now that my PC is pretty clean .NET doesn't get in my way.
Post edited November 26, 2011 by carnival73
Hardware and software developers are worried about what gets sales for themselves...no more, no less. There is no great conspiracy to push people to consoles (that would actually HURT hardware companies).

Aside from that, I have no Earthly idea what the point of that whole sidebar about the fictional world where Sony pushes out competition even was.

And seeing as .Net frameworks exist as a library for software applications to use, it would be rather difficult for them to get in your way.
Keep your old pc and don't throw it away. That way, if you have problems, you can use it.
i love .net its so easy to get stuff working and installed now... as for windows 7..... 8 is here and coming in a few months... get 7 while you can Now... 8 is a living breathing pile of crap... its the Millennium Edition of today's world...
Post edited November 27, 2011 by Starkrun
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MikeFE: Some games you have to search a bit on the internet for help, like Vampire The Masquerade - Bloodlines, but it's not too hard.
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kavazovangel: Works perfectly here. Did you get it from Steam?
As a matter of fact, I did. It was on sale there and since GOG doesn't have it (it has Redemption, but not Bloodlines), I got it there. As far as I can remember, the main trick is to use both Steam and the game in Admin-mode. Get the unofficial patch. Can't remember if I had to get another patch for wide-screen, but it works anyway.
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MikeFE: As a matter of fact, I did. It was on sale there and since GOG doesn't have it (it has Redemption, but not Bloodlines), I got it there. As far as I can remember, the main trick is to use both Steam and the game in Admin-mode. Get the unofficial patch. Can't remember if I had to get another patch for wide-screen, but it works anyway.
Download through Steam. Copy the files somewhere in like C:\Games\VtMB\ for example. Delete the game through Steam as you won't be needing it there anymore. Replace the exe with a cracked 1.2 version one. Enjoy a Steam-less, perfectly working release. ;)

No need for admin rights or whatever.
Post edited November 27, 2011 by kavazovangel
Don't be a pansy. I've been using Win 7 since RC2 and it's absolutely fantastic. I mainly play games from GoG as well and have no trouble with running them.
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carnival73: .NET was an aggravation back when I first started fixing up this old PC because it was overrun with malware and I was running around tracing and pulling proceesses so all the while I'm trying to bat down unwanted connections I was constantly tripping over .NET tricks and gags. Now that my PC is pretty clean .NET doesn't get in my way.
/facepalm again. Do you know what .NET is?
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carnival73: .NET was an aggravation back when I first started fixing up this old PC because it was overrun with malware and I was running around tracing and pulling proceesses so all the while I'm trying to bat down unwanted connections I was constantly tripping over .NET tricks and gags. Now that my PC is pretty clean .NET doesn't get in my way.
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kavazovangel: /facepalm again. Do you know what .NET is?
I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't.
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kavazovangel: /facepalm again. Do you know what .NET is?
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Crassmaster: I think it's pretty clear that he doesn't.
And just to 'scare' him a little more, Windows Vista comes with .NET 3.0, Windows 7 comes with .NET 3.5, and Windows 8 will come with .NET 4.5.

By the way, dunno what GOG uses, but the whole service could very well be based on .NET. :p

.NET is hunting you!
Post edited November 27, 2011 by kavazovangel