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Posted July 24, 2010
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Mentalepsy: Stardock's patches can only be downloaded via Impulse, though - it's not just a convenience. There are some early standalone patches available (like GalCiv 1.2), but as far as I know, they don't release those anymore. So, whatever's on the disc is guaranteed to work down the road, but any post-release work is up in the air.
Brad Wardell gets righteously pissed if you ask him about standalone patches, though to be fair, he gets pissed off pretty easily.
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StingingVelvet: True, I guess I viewed patches as only essential for multiplayer, but in some cases that might not be true.
Wardell is a funny guy because he gets a lot of press and loyalty from his pro-consumer stuff, but if you read his comments on their forums he is all about digital sales, DRM and playing a game at the behest of those who created it, not yourself. He is basically the same as Newell at Valve: yay DRM, but make it customer friendly. That's not DRM-free what-so-ever.
This is one reason I don't support Impulse like a lot of other people who are not overly fond of Steam. Direct2Drive actually has some DRM-free games, and their protected games are easy to uh... take care of, should the need arise. I much prefer shopping there.

So you support D2D because you can easily bypass the DRM?
Guess what? Steam has one of the EASIEST to bypass models. And GOO is pretty regularly cracked too.
Posted July 24, 2010
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Gundato: So you support D2D because you can easily bypass the DRM?
Guess what? Steam has one of the EASIEST to bypass models. And GOO is pretty regularly cracked too.

No, as I said they sell DRM-free titles, and are the only digital store that do other than GOG to my knowledge. That earns my support for other digital purchases which I can just .exe swap if they ever close down, as the activation is after the install and it's extremely simple.
Steam "cracks" are ten times harder from what I have seen... they have .exe swaps yes, but you need to install through Steam first which defeats the entire point. DRM-free copies of Steam exclusives are a pain in the ass.
Posted July 24, 2010
I'm thinking if we just stopped buying . . . naaa, that would be too easy . . . =)
Posted July 24, 2010
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Gundato: So you support D2D because you can easily bypass the DRM?
Guess what? Steam has one of the EASIEST to bypass models. And GOO is pretty regularly cracked too.
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StingingVelvet: No, as I said they sell DRM-free titles, and are the only digital store that do other than GOG to my knowledge. That earns my support for other digital purchases which I can just .exe swap if they ever close down, as the activation is after the install and it's extremely simple.
Steam "cracks" are ten times harder from what I have seen... they have .exe swaps yes, but you need to install through Steam first which defeats the entire point. DRM-free copies of Steam exclusives are a pain in the ass.

Actually, you might want to take a look. There are methods for Steam that are incredibly simple. I never use them (no reason to), but I made sure they existed before I started buying Steam games. I don't want to go into too much detail (piracy is bad), but it is basically a matter of replacing Steam (not the individual executables).
As far as a "DRM Free" game on D2D: GamersGate uses the same basic model, to my knowledge. So whether or not you count it as "DRM-Free" is up to you, obviously.
Impulse and Steam have quite a few games with no third-party DRMs, if that is what you mean as "DRM-Free"
Posted July 24, 2010
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Gundato: As far as a "DRM Free" game on D2D: GamersGate uses the same basic model, to my knowledge. So whether or not you count it as "DRM-Free" is up to you, obviously.
Impulse and Steam have quite a few games with no third-party DRMs, if that is what you mean as "DRM-Free"

No, D2D has actual DRM-free games now. GamersGate and Impulse do not have any, to my knowledge.
Posted July 24, 2010
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Gundato: As far as a "DRM Free" game on D2D: GamersGate uses the same basic model, to my knowledge. So whether or not you count it as "DRM-Free" is up to you, obviously.
Impulse and Steam have quite a few games with no third-party DRMs, if that is what you mean as "DRM-Free"
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StingingVelvet: No, D2D has actual DRM-free games now. GamersGate and Impulse do not have any, to my knowledge.

Haven't heard about D2D's version of "DRM-free". Could you elaborate?
Posted July 24, 2010
I prefer their current system... Which is no DRM whatsoever. When I got a physical copy of Europa Universalis III: Complete they even gave me a free copy of it on GamersGate which was nice of them.
Posted July 24, 2010
As I see it, it's the opposite way than Ubisoft's method, that is, use DRM as a blocker rather than an enhancer. Although "enhancing" here is debatable, the core will still be intact (perhaps stripped, but not closed off), thus I cautiously support it. I mean, we'll see how it works.
Posted July 24, 2010
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StingingVelvet: No, D2D has actual DRM-free games now. GamersGate and Impulse do not have any, to my knowledge.
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Gundato: Haven't heard about D2D's version of "DRM-free". Could you elaborate?

Exactly the same as GOG's, you download an installer from your account and from then onwards as long as you keep a copy of it you can ignore D2D completely.
Posted July 24, 2010
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StingingVelvet: No, D2D has actual DRM-free games now. GamersGate and Impulse do not have any, to my knowledge.

That is incorrect, GamersGate has many DRM-Free titles. And by DRM-Free I mean an actual installer you can backup and a game you can install as many times as you want when you want etc... (just like GOG)
(for instance STALKER SoC and CS are completely DRM-Free on there)
D2D marks it clearly on the game page when the game is DRM-Free and you get the same deal as if it came from GOG.
Post edited July 24, 2010 by pops117
Posted July 24, 2010
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Gundato: Haven't heard about D2D's version of "DRM-free". Could you elaborate?
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OmegaX: Exactly the same as GOG's, you download an installer from your account and from then onwards as long as you keep a copy of it you can ignore D2D completely.

Nifty. That is a version of "DRM-Free' that I like (obviously).
Still doesn't change that the rest of the original post (saying that the games that have DRM are easily bypassed makes it better) was kind of hinky, but whatever. Point of reference, Steam has games like that, just not intentionally (I think all the games that use DOSBox are DRM-free, by that definition).
Posted July 25, 2010
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StingingVelvet: No, D2D has actual DRM-free games now. GamersGate and Impulse do not have any, to my knowledge.
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pops117: That is incorrect, GamersGate has many DRM-Free titles. And by DRM-Free I mean an actual installer you can backup and a game you can install as many times as you want when you want etc... (just like GOG)
(for instance STALKER SoC and CS are completely DRM-Free on there)
D2D marks it clearly on the game page when the game is DRM-Free and you get the same deal as if it came from GOG.

Is there a user-made list of these GG games by any chance? I might want some of them.
Posted July 25, 2010
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StingingVelvet: Is there a user-made list of these GG games by any chance? I might want some of them.

I don't know if something like that exists, but if you have a look at this page or this one for instance you will see the information about the DRM used.
If no information about the DRM is supplied it will mean in most cases that it's DRM-Free. But just to be sure you should tweet them or (if you're like me and don't have twitter) just drop them a mail.
I think they should be more consistent across their game catalogue with that sort of information though.
Posted July 25, 2010
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StingingVelvet: Is there a user-made list of these GG games by any chance? I might want some of them.

You can use a filter to show only drm-free games. It shows up when you browse a genre category like strategy or adventures, then you get different sort options on the top like sort by, price, list type and filter. So, if you choose the category all games and use as filter drm-free, this site with all drm-free games shows up.
Post edited July 25, 2010 by DukeNukemForever
Posted July 25, 2010
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StingingVelvet: DRM the hell out of multiplayer, who cares... just make sure singleplayer works in full 20 years from now when your company is gone. That's my main concern.
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lackoo1111: agree

Double that.
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