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Pheace: Some things I don't agree with in here.

A) Potato pack was on sale *long* before the countdown thing was there. By the time the countdown thing was visible at BEST it could've saved like what, 3 days? What idiot buys a pack of games for that?
Why does that matter? The point is they offered to release the game early if you bought and played the potato games, then released the game at their usual release time anyway. When the potato games went on sale and when they announced the promo is pretty irrelevant.

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Pheace: B) Personal Disagreement but I think I can easily be 'DRM sucks' and support valve at the same time. Limited activations and always online drm are stuff that annoys me. There being a service I log into to use my games, or even the one time DRM at the start of a game (still worse than Steam) is stuff that's far more reasonable at least.
Tying all my games to one account bothers the hell out of me, much more so than "limited" activations that actually are not limited, since you get them back when you uninstall and support will give you more if your PC happens to die unexpectedly 5 times. Also I hate having to run the Steam client, which I don't like and don't use, just to play singleplayer.

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Pheace: C) Day one DLC sucks, I agree with that. However Portal 2 doesn't have day 1 DLC, not in my definition of it at least. DLC to me is playable content that's cut out of the game. Not Cosmetic items like hats and skins for co-op play which is what's in the portal store.
I don't see the distinction. It would not have been weird or even unexpected to have some character customization built into the co-op by default, without charging for it.
Post edited April 19, 2011 by StingingVelvet
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Pheace: C) Day one DLC sucks, I agree with that. However Portal 2 doesn't have day 1 DLC, not in my definition of it at least. DLC to me is playable content that's cut out of the game. Not Cosmetic items like hats and skins for co-op play which is what's in the portal store.
I don't agree with you hear. DLC is specifically Down-Loadable Content. It doesn't matter what that content is specifically. If you have to pay for it separately it's DLC. But that's how I define it.

I am curious though, do you have a problem with the Oblivion Horse Armor DLC or do you class that the same as the Portal 2/TF2 DLC?
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Pheace: C) Day one DLC sucks, I agree with that. However Portal 2 doesn't have day 1 DLC, not in my definition of it at least. DLC to me is playable content that's cut out of the game. Not Cosmetic items like hats and skins for co-op play which is what's in the portal store.
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bansama: I don't agree with you hear. DLC is specifically Down-Loadable Content. It doesn't matter what that content is specifically. If you have to pay for it separately it's DLC. But that's how I define it.

I am curious though, do you have a problem with the Oblivion Horse Armor DLC or do you class that the same as the Portal 2/TF2 DLC?
I call those micro transactions and the spawn of satan. I'm sorry but I just paid top price for the game and now i have to pay MORE for a freaking flag?? Just make them standard already!
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Pheace: C) Day one DLC sucks, I agree with that. However Portal 2 doesn't have day 1 DLC, not in my definition of it at least. DLC to me is playable content that's cut out of the game. Not Cosmetic items like hats and skins for co-op play which is what's in the portal store.
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bansama: I don't agree with you hear. DLC is specifically Down-Loadable Content. It doesn't matter what that content is specifically. If you have to pay for it separately it's DLC. But that's how I define it.

I am curious though, do you have a problem with the Oblivion Horse Armor DLC or do you class that the same as the Portal 2/TF2 DLC?
I guess it's rather a difference between 'bad' DLC and 'allowable' DLC, rather than an argument on the technical term.

I don't care about there being completely irrelevant cosmetic stuff that people can pay extra for if they want.
I do care if it's features/playable content that is locked out from day one. Stuff that would actually be useful, or playable.

Horse Armor, although i was never there to experience I think would fall in the feature part to some extent (assuming it reduces damage?), so the bad part.

After having played F2P MMO's I'm comfortable with the cosmetic stuff. It's a nice addition, for those who want to pay for it, it's a nice amount of extra cash for the developers and it doesn't change any balance whatsoever ingame. Stuff like that I'm personally fine with.

So yeah, even though my explanation of it may not have been accurate my point still stands. I think Cosmetic stuff isn't nearly as 'Devil'ish as Day 1 'DLC' (the bad one)