Sweet - we agree on something, because that's exactly how I feel about those who continually vote for liberal stupidity.

These opinions aren't my own, these are pretty much the only ones that one can reasonably have based upon the statements of the party itself with very little interpretation.

Not surprising. It's a pretty stupid set of beliefs after all.

As I have written earlier then I could twist this maybe a houndred (or I do not know how many) ways I just don't want to bother or "the bother"......
Basically the resarchers here must be plain idiots that thinks in t he way of "wishful thinking" or twisting things to fit their own agenda (or the agenda of those who influences/"control" them) !!!!

Basically you can generally put together a study or a "statistic" to prove more or less what you want , as we say in my county then : there are lies , then Black lies and then statistics.

For me this is only about how things are twisted to fit the general "agendas" and if you can't see or recognize those then you are either blind or simply do not want to recognize it.....

I am not going to "butcher this" or "tear it more apart" neither for the bemefit of you or the rest of this forum. I am right , as simple as that, if you do not want to see or recognize that then it is your problem I can't and won't be bothered with this further in this situation.
This world can play the games it wants with you and yours and I am not going to free you from that at this time , if you wanna be free then free yourself but don't hold me accountable for your own stupidity. (I am NOT trying to insult you , I am just trying to tell you despite the fact that you won't like it !!!)

I feel there might be a lack of trust and perhaps understanding when it comes to scientific research and publishing in general among some people in here. I'm not familiar with the particular individuals and institutions behind the study discussed here and which requirements and procedures they follow when they publish something, but the last time I was dealing with some scientific work (B.Sc. level), I got the impression that any work (?) must go through several layers of hard scrutiny before it can be published. Then again, maybe this depends on the publishing medium. Perhaps some are more serious than others. I also know that cheating does occur, but accusations usually require a good basis.

@FiatLux

We'll just have to disagree. I find it unproductive to discuss this in the manner which you seem to like. You're free to view the world any way you like, but don't expect me to join you on your journey. Good luck. =)

Yes , you are right , and I am not trying to be "productive" here.... I am only trying to free myself from having to deal with this though I really know what is wrong....

Though you may not like "my manners" then I like the way that you handle the situation/disagreement......
I would like to wish you good luck too but as far as I can see then there is no luck down the path you are heading..... But at least you can disagree and still do that with a little class and that is a real nice thing that you got going for yourself there...

You mean like, universal healthcare, the ability to make a living wage, clean air, safe food, reasonable working conditions and working to ensure the poor have a chance at a decent life?

The difference here is that I've actually taken the time to consider the issues that the right is pushing and have done my homework. The right has little to contribute at this point and over the last few years has pretty much just said no to things. What positions they do have are fossilized in the past and there's an open competition to see how long they can hold to antiquated and discredited ideas.

If you're seriously suggesting that the left is as bad as the right, you either haven't done any research or you haven't genuinely given them a chance to make their case. I've given the right an extremely fair chance and there's just nothing of substance to most of their stances.
Pretty much, this is a party that appeals to pure lowest common denominator and aggressively chases off anybody with the guts to disagree with the party views. Even when those views are themselves completely, completely nuts.

At this point, any GOP voters that could be reasonably called moderate have fled the party, and those that remain tend not to be bright enough to really understand any of the issues. Or are so blinded by hatred of the left and intellectuals that they knowingly vote to make things worse for themselves.

That is not the sort of thing that I generally think of when I think of intelligence. More than that, a lot of these voters believe in the lies that Fox News propagates and lack the basic education needed to make sense of things like crime statistics or causality.

oh the irony!

Well, I guess that settles it, then. There you go, folks. Those who do not agree with the liberal philosophy are obviously uneducated and / or lacking the understanding of the issues at hand. Were that not the case, then it is obvious that we would all be liberals as we each gained enlightenment.

So all of you uneducated neo-cons, start researching to learn why you should be clamoring for the Liberal-Progressive utopia you're obviously too dumb to seek on your own.

But hey, let's address your "points":

- universal healthcare. Democrats have put into place funding cuts in the major existing federal gov't health programs, Medicare and Medicaid. Universal health care is the smart way to go (not really), so they're cutting the current stuff we have that comes closest to <drumroll> universal health care. Explain how that makes them smarter by your standard.

- living wage. How much is a "living wage"? Gimme a number. Tell me what sort of full-time work you would expect one to do to earn that wage.

- clean air. This one is trickier, because it has global marketplace implications. Err, I suspect it does since it's obvious that I never research anything. But answer this simple question for me: if strict environmental regs raise the cost of doing business high enough that certain jobs are being exported, then some of those jobs will be moved to nations with much lower environmental controls, and that leads to higher pollution for the same amount of production. How does that help the environment? Would you not rather simplify our regs to make them easier to meet while still keeping them tough, thus helping keep jobs here, with the added benefits to some other issues you mention such as working wage?

- reasonable working conditions. What are the unreasonable conditions that the GOP wants to foist onto employees?

- lifestyle of the working poor. Part of the plight of the poor can be placed squarely on the shoulders of the entitlement programs that were created with every good intention of helping the poor truly in need; I'll let you search to find where I explained, more than once, how Social Security is now a bad program for nearly all workers. Describe what sort of lifestyle you think one is entitled to, and describe how the GOP is against people working to rise above their present lot in life. Tie it in to your living wage argument since they go hand-in-hand.

Contrast with: how dumb, at times, is the Democrat Party?

- whine about higher taxes for the wealthy and the 'Bush tax cut', while at the same time the loudest cheerleaders of higher taxes hesitate not one second to take advantage of those same tax rules and the Bush tax cut - Obama's own tax returns bear this out. "Lead by example" would seem to be the order of the day, so show us how you turn a lower after-tax profit into faster job growth.

- the Genius-in-Chief has a budget proposal so bad that not even Harry Reid will touch it. But Obama's the smartest American leader we've seen in decades, so why it that his latest budget is an absolute train wreck by any standard except his own?

- I'm gonna bring this one out because it's just So. Damn. Much. Fun: "We have to pass the bill to see what's in it." And when we do see it, we find that the IRS gets a whole lot bigger (IRS needs to grow to improve health insurance?), under a blanket standard-coverage requirement we're forced to pay for services we don't need, and some states and even unions fercryingoutloud are getting waivers from the bill because they can't afford to follow the provisions. That last part should just about say it all, considering the Act is touted to save everyone money.

Kinda funny that you praise the intelligence of the party that created a money-saving health insurance reform plan that even the supporters say isn't affordable, and that they cut back on the existing universal care programs by reducing funding. You're trying to tell me that the guys who are reducing universal care are the smart ones because they support universal care. Doesn't jibe.

- Locally, the Dems are fighting an iron mining bill, saying it will harm the environment. They don't have the proof to back up the claims of harmful effects of the mining method being proposed; to the contrary, existing mines of this type throughout the country show that the damage is minimal during the process and all-but erased once the land is restored (mandated by law) after the mine is closed. Meanwhile, they're throwing out $600 million per year in wages (and subsequent tax revenue) from just the one mine in question, along with wages at the mining equipment manufacturing facilities within the state, which is another $150 million. At the same time as all of that, they bitch that the state GOP leaders have taken steps at budget and deficit reduction while the Dems cry about cuts to services. Note that if more people are employed, the need for costly social services is.... reduced! So they then gripe that the GOP-led gov't is hurting job creation though the Dems haven't come up with anything themselves to spur job growth. Not surprisingly a statewide survey, early last year, of small businesses showed that ~90% of them are feeling confident about their growth prospects, compared to somewhere in the teens when the state was run by the Dems. This came about when our blue-leaning swing-state went red this last time around and the Governor and Assembly actually did some things to get the ball rolling toward helping business succeed and grow.

Projected deficit all-but eliminated, small business confidence much higher, trying to bring in jobs and income tax revenue... but they're just not as smart as the Dems that either created the problems or are resisting the solutions.

- In the past year the state Dems have also griped that the Rep-led gov't has decreased education spending by $750 million over two years. The Dems didn't give a peep - in fact they voted for it! - when the same thing was done, almost to the dollar, with one of the biennial budgets last decade.

So tell me, when do we start to see the smart stuff from the higher intelligence of the leadership of the left? This crap certainly ain't it.

Since when is the US Democratic Party left-wing?

strangely enough I did write an essay on this about a year back for journalism class "http://imprintt.blogspot.in/2010/11/bigotry-and-prejudice.html&quot;; which I think hits the nail on the head - this however does not pertain specifically to right wingers - I took care to effectively include the entire human race. It has to do with our evolutionary tendency to remain part of a group or say "a cult" - IMHO there should be a single unified religion based on the kamasutra - it would help natural selection to a great degree and effectively circumvent the overpopulation problem on this planet since most people would die a slow, agonizing death through STDs....

:-)


I especially liked the : "IMHO there should be a single unified religion based on the kamasutra" part of your post , very entertaining....
;-)

*Ka-ching*

The Democrats are about as left-wing as my parrot's right wing.

:d...thank you : )....

Beats me. I only used the term once, at the very end of my post, as a handy moniker to counter the use of "the right" to describe the GOP. Goes back to my original notion of pigeon-holing, doesn't it?

I should clarify, I meant that extreme groups on either side are both equally loony, while politicians who reach the higher echelons of the US system have effectively sold their soul so it makes little difference what letter they have after their name, they just serve the political system which tends to be bought out by lobbyists and special interests, which tend towards the right by virtue of their existence.