It's not the system of law's fault as any system of law/gov't can be open to abuse given man's nature/etc.

IMO it's man's fault for being so easy to abuse trust given in many cases, and also the fault of those who keep electing rich douches to office who we all KNOW won't hold our interests at heart yet we elect them anyways because most americans can't be bothered to actually critically think for a bit every few years it seems.

That was my point - If that is true, you have a real problem.

Yes but it seemed as if you were wondering why we were fighting this/laws in general, and it's because it's the best the informed among us seem to be able to do....either by the limit of the law of the limit of our desire to effect change, seeing how sheepish society has become.

Thing is, if we did nothing it'd probably be even worse.

But you aren't fighting this law, it's quite a benign law. It's stopping people ripping off tracks and letting them get accessed for free.

You're fighting the idea someone will abuse this law. That's something different, one action is to attack the law, one action is to attack the confidence in its ability to be just.

IMO to do one(fight abuse of the law) you usually have to do the other. And btw it's a near certainty that a law like this will be abused somewhere down the line, or amended to as time goes on. That's why it must be fought. Oh and as you know us Americans love a good fight. :P

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Yes, History shows you slaughter each other very well ;) ;;) ;;))

No, that is the intention behind the law. But courts don't judge by the intention of the law, they judge by the letter of the law. And the letter of this law is so wide open to interpretation, it could hit someone for doing the things I mentioned.

Noone is saying "Hell yes, it should be legal to upload entire movies and TV shows to free streaming services like YouTube". They're saying "Let's word it so that people who are completely innocent of that crime don't get thrown in jail".

Lazily and/or ignorantly worded legislation tends to cause more problems than it solves.

Bah, slaughter is terribly inefficient. It's much more efficient and profitable to just tussle and injure each other ever so slightly to keep our prisons ever filled & our hospitals ever filled. :)

I totally misread the subject line of this thread. I though it was:

US bill to make gameplay videos funny

Which is a law I might be willing to support in some way.

I'd rather see a law to make gameplay videos not include shitty music in the background. I've heard the same rap music in the background of Devil May Cry videos too many times.

Rule of law has unfortunately become a bit of a joke in the US (although from what I've read things aren't much better on your side of the pond either). There are already so many laws on the books with so many disproportionate penalties that if you piss off the wrong person with enough money and power you're in for some very miserable times. Laws like this simply add one more tool for those with unchecked power to use against the rest of us. As for revolution coming next, currently most people are comfortable enough that revolution isn't a realistic option; abuses of the law, while frequent, don't get enough media attention to make any sizable group of people aware of the abuses, and if an incident does get a fair amount of attention it's spun as an unfortunately anomaly rather than the standing state of affairs. However, if things continue on the current path, and are coupled with continued economic difficulties, then in another 50 years or so I could certainly see things getting rather nasty. I really hope it doesn't come to that and that we're either able to turn things around a bit or at least keep things from progressing on their current path.

If I had a dollar for every time I heard "that law would never be used that way..." only to see it used that way nearly as soon as it was signed into law I'd be very wealthy...

Screw this law and all the other bullshit laws that they write to be so open to abuse! The openness of the law IS the point, so we are all criminals whenever they want us to be. Pick a few out, punish them publicly and horribly and everyone else keeps their heads down. Someone makes a big stink publicly? Well, there's now a hammer to apply.

It's not benign when it's left intentionally vague and open to abuse. Do you claim that the DMCA hasn't been used in ways not originally intended? Do you claim that there aren't layers right now using fear of vague law to wring settlements out of people based on unproven claims of infringement? These IP laws are ALREADY being abused. Why do you assume that this one will be any different?

People are RIGHT to fear these laws because anyone that cares to look can see that these bills are passed by congress critters who have been bought and paid for by the entertainment cartel. (campaign contributions are public knowledge. This isn't a conspiracy, it's fact) The cartel does not care about the artist or the designer (see the lawsuit linked earlier in this discussion). They care about the cartel and complete and utter control over the marketplace.

The ultimate goal, as explicitly stated by numerous entertainment execs, is to turn the Internet into a system like cable TV, where you pay for bundles of channels (sites) and that's all you get. heavily controlled. They have been quite public in their intentions. Each of these laws that the entertainment cartel write and hand to congress to pass is another small step on the way to that goal. Free indie content on sites like Youtube are one of their number one targets because it's competition.

By the way, another aspect of this war on the Internet is the ever increasing waves of bandwidth caps. These are designed to freeze out streaming video as a competitor (Netflix, Hulu, etc...) and indiscriminate use of the Internet for entertainment. When people are constantly worried about going over their ludicrously low cap, they are less likely to use the Internet for entertainment. Keep in mind that the vast majority of ISPs are owned by entertainment companies/cable providers.

Food for thought anyway. All public knowledge.

person to person is one of the most effective marketing ways
gameplay vids = peson to many person
+ i use walkthroughs when i'm stuck in games
and then i'm not getting started on the +9000 gmod videos you have on youtube, all of these would all become illegal