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hedwards: That's why they should be providing service. Leisure Suit Larry sold more hint books than copies. And unless somebody would have bought the thing it makes no difference.

I pirate a lot of things now because I can't obtain them legally. Doesn't make any difference to the companies bottom line.

Now in the "real world" which you apparently live, is there something magical that causes this to hurt companies?
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Egotomb: Typical pirate propaganda.

If I pirate the Witcher 2 tomorrow it hurts somebody. You can contort that as much as you like it's a fact.
Typical developed world egocentric git.

Most movies and music aren't even sold here. Plus, I buy when I have the opportunity.
Post edited January 12, 2013 by hedwards
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Adzeth: Oh yeah baby! Finally some use for this virus that downloads modern hit albums without the computer owner knowing. This is going to be hilarious!
I love you.
1) this will not hold up in court for existing subscribers.
2) I doubt it will withstand the first supreme court challenge.
3) Piracy is only theft if you would have bought it otherwise.
4) Intent is required for most non-vehicular crimes.
5) This contradicts the innocent until proven guilty concept.

Who gets these fees? Will the throttled users have their bill prorated apprkpriately? If I am paying for X bandwidth, you are NOT charging me the same for X-Y bandwidth, regardless of torrenting or any other activity.
This is bad news to those who keep claiming DRM is irrelevant (and backing up your purchased games is stupid) because you can always download the stuff later on torrents, if the DRM somehow blocks you from using your license.

As I have been saying, piracy is becoming more and more of a hassle, not easier, over time. ISPs actively blocking access to known pirate sites, your internet connection being affected even if you are merely suspected of copyright infringement, the devices we are daily using for accessing internet becoming more and more walled gardens where you can't even install unauthorized material, etc. That's why I never bought the argument that in the end, piracy is always the answer.
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Tychoxi: what if I download something I have already bought? is that illegal?
This is not really about what is considered legal or illegal; it is just you (repeatedly) being caught, or at least being suspected, of doing something that the ISPs/copyright holders don't approve, and which can have consequences to you.

For example, swearing in a web forum is probably not illegal (in most countries anyway). But that may still have consequences to you, like being banned from the forum.
Post edited January 12, 2013 by timppu
Do we know the exact date this deal kicks in? I'm not clicking that link in the OP in case they're watching.
This is so wrong how movie/music/games industry much power got. It looks like they can do all the shit they want. You may protest SOPA, PIPA, ACTA, and then, a few months later, almost the same regulations with changed name are already being discussed.

Music and movies industry are the worst. Gaming industry already see how you can win with piracy. Well, maybe not win, buy how to earn shitload of money despite piracy.

I started being a gamer because of piracy. When I was a kid, only pirated games were avaible for me. Now I bough and own over 800 games.
Well, if ISPs are going to charge customers full price for higher speeds and then deliver shitty speeds to them while making them pay more if they want to appeal it, I know who I would call thieves.
In addition, there is no way the ISP's are going to be able to justify these throttling/fee measures unless users are completely immune to prosecution, and the fees all go to the MPAA/Recording Artists Association. You cannot "tax" something and have it be illegal. This is why Canadians are not charged for downloading music, we have a tax on blank media that is intended to combat the revenue loss.
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KyleKatarn: Well, if ISPs are going to charge customers full price for higher speeds and then deliver shitty speeds to them while making them pay more if they want to appeal it, I know who I would call thieves.
Well, right now there is the trend of providing much lower speeds than advertised simply by sticking (usually in much smaller letters) an "up to" somewhere in the advertisement, in my opinion. Not all do it, but when I see an ad for X speed, I automatically cut that number in half to a third to get a more, IMO, realistic speed.
Post edited January 12, 2013 by Fomalhaut30
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KyleKatarn: Well, if ISPs are going to charge customers full price for higher speeds and then deliver shitty speeds to them while making them pay more if they want to appeal it, I know who I would call thieves.
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Fomalhaut30: Well, right now there is the trend of providing much lower speeds than advertised simply by sticking (usually in much smaller letters) an "up to" somewhere in the advertisement, in my opinion. Not all do it, but when I see an ad for X speed, I automatically cut that number in half to a third to get a more, IMO, realistic speed.
Charter only guarantees 70% of their advertised speeds. Would be nice if we were allowed to only pay 70% of our bill.