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Posted June 21, 2011
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GameRager: Most trojans/viruses/attack attempts aren't as sophisticated. Most are just geenric shit that's been floating around for months which any free scanner can pick up, and diligence can save you from the rest. As I said you'd only need UAC if you were completely clueless about PC security or were paranoid to the point of psychosis.
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DosFreak: You haven't been keeping up. The latest thing for quite awhile now is for a bot to own a system. Once your system has been comprimised the person who comprimised the system can sell whatever service they like to those who want to use it.

Antivirus scanners only scan what is in their definitions. Malware is easily modified and adjusted so it can't be picked up. Antivirus defs will ALWAYS be behind the curve. If you can't see that then you are being blind on purpose.

It's not paranoia if they are out to get you. Millions of systems are owned. Where do you think all those DoS come from?

I guess if you were using linux you'd always log in as root as well right? Because you are l33t and know your system?
Also i'm not so dumb to run anything someone give me right off the bat without running it through 2-3 scanners. What kind of fool do you take me for?
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DosFreak: 2-3? You should at the very least quadruple that amount.

It takes only one compromise and your system can be owned. You want as many security layers as possible and UAC is one of them.

A bot is like a network tsr/virus.

Totally agree the more levels of protection, the better, but as with any other code, it needs space in ram to execute. It may reside on a drive dormant, but when it goes to execute, it takes up resources.

Anything that can effectively monitor resource usage, should track it easily.

Most people don't, or are overly tired by warnings from everywhere to pay attention, thus the bots gain mental zombies every step of the way.
Posted June 21, 2011
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GameRager: Most trojans/viruses/attack attempts aren't as sophisticated. Most are just geenric shit that's been floating around for months which any free scanner can pick up, and diligence can save you from the rest. As I said you'd only need UAC if you were completely clueless about PC security or were paranoid to the point of psychosis.
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DosFreak: You haven't been keeping up. The latest thing for quite awhile now is for a bot to own a system. Once your system has been comprimised the person who comprimised the system can sell whatever service they like to those who want to use it.

Antivirus scanners only scan what is in their definitions. Malware is easily modified and adjusted so it can't be picked up. Antivirus defs will ALWAYS be behind the curve. If you can't see that then you are being blind on purpose.

It's not paranoia if they are out to get you. Millions of systems are owned. Where do you think all those DoS come from?

I guess if you were using linux you'd always log in as root as well right? Because you are l33t and know your system?
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2-3? You should at the very least quadruple that amount.

It takes only one compromise and your system can be owned. You want as many security layers as possible and UAC is one of them.
1. Have been keeping up...yes, any SINGLE scanner can't pick up everything. That's why I have 2, a resident realtime scanner suite and a fire wall, plus a secondary scanner. Sometimes I even use an online reputable scanner for the hell of it.

2. Don't act like I don't know what a bot is or a zombie-net.

3. Using heuristics also helps...it catches even more of what the AV misses.

4. Never said I was 1337, just that UAC usage is mainly for n00bs to PC security and fearmongers. :P

A. I had a FEW minor issues over the years but even in those cases it was nipped in the bud before anything could happen, mostly internet cookies and other harmless crap though.

B. You only want THAT many layers if you also like to wear and style tinfoil fashions on your head, or have no clue on how to run a GOOD security setup and/or buy into fearmongering propaganda.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 21, 2011
The first incarnation of UAC had all kinds of issues that caused incompatibility problems with various programs. Prior to installing Windows 7 I was able to leave UAC on. I'm not sure if this was coincidental or due to tweaking on the part of Microsoft.

If you are able to run things with UAC on then leave it on. If it is causing issues, turn it off. Not sure what the big deal is. :P
Posted June 21, 2011
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SmCaudata: The first incarnation of UAC had all kinds of issues that caused incompatibility problems with various programs. Prior to installing Windows 7 I was UNable to leave UAC on. I'm not sure if this was coincidental or due to tweaking on the part of Microsoft.

If you are able to run things with UAC on then leave it on. If it is causing issues, turn it off. Not sure what the big deal is. :P
I fixed your sentence as it seemed to be grammatically incorrect. Is this what you meant? As in BEFORE Win7 you weren't able to leave it on much?
Posted June 22, 2011
I have Vista, my UAC is on and causes no problem with GOG games.

I love my UAC. I hate it when a piece of shitware does things in the background that I don't approve of (like my last anti-virus that kept asking me every 5 minutes or so if I wanted to renew... guess who won't be getting repeat business from me, you got that right).

This is my computer, I am the master of my domain and find such security measures empowering, not an inconvenience.

I also keep my firewall cranked up, because I like all my slaves to ask daddy nicely if they can use the network.

@Guy who wants to disable sudo:

That's fine, but if the world was a fair place and some piece of malware that you naively executed (or maybe your roomate using your comp while you're away) took over your system and did millions in damage and they found out you disabled sudo, you'd be footing a large portion of that bill.
Posted June 22, 2011
Let's try this again.
Do you know the command del? All it does is delete a file. It is not a virus, it is not malware, it is not a heuristics threat. It is a system command.
Would your antivirus stop a program from running del /F /Q /S %windir% ?
If yes, then ok, shut off your UAC, you'll be fine, but do tell us what antivirus you are using.
If no, then keep UAC on.
And this does not need to be run from a program, it can be run from almost anything that uses scripts, including webpages, spreadsheets, autorun.inf files and who knows what else.
So, assuming you do know your PC security, open Local Group Policy Editor (you do know what that is, right?) and customize your UAC from there.
Posted June 22, 2011
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JMich: Let's try this again.
Do you know the command del? All it does is delete a file. It is not a virus, it is not malware, it is not a heuristics threat. It is a system command.
Would your antivirus stop a program from running del /F /Q /S %windir% ?
If yes, then ok, shut off your UAC, you'll be fine, but do tell us what antivirus you are using.
If no, then keep UAC on.
And this does not need to be run from a program, it can be run from almost anything that uses scripts, including webpages, spreadsheets, autorun.inf files and who knows what else.
So, assuming you do know your PC security, open Local Group Policy Editor (you do know what that is, right?) and customize your UAC from there.
I'd rather shut it off and save myself the trouble, knowing such attacks happening are such rare occurances that i'll be fine.

(Disclosure: I only shut it off on Vista....on Win7 I leave it on as it's not as buggy and annoying as the Vista version.)
Post edited June 22, 2011 by GameRager
Posted June 22, 2011
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GameRager: I'd rather shut it off, knowing such attacks happening are such rare occurances that i'll be fine.
Sure, and in Europe, 0,0089% of the population dies from traffic accidents, why bother with seatbelts/helmets?
You'll be fine.
Posted June 22, 2011
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GameRager: I'd rather shut it off, knowing such attacks happening are such rare occurances that i'll be fine.
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JMich: Sure, and in Europe, 0,0089% of the population dies from traffic accidents, why bother with seatbelts/helmets?
You'll be fine.
It's called unnecessary with my knowledge and setup.

It wouldn't bne like needing a seatbelt to prevent injuries during accidents, but more like requiring floaters on your car if somehow you drove into a lake.
Posted June 22, 2011
Wait wait wait, you're running 2 real time scanners at the same time? That's one of the most bad moves one can possibly make, even disregarding all the UAC shenanigans.
Posted June 22, 2011
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AndrewC: Wait wait wait, you're running 2 real time scanners at the same time? That's one of the most bad moves one can possibly make, even disregarding all the UAC shenanigans.
1 realtime, one not realtime but used for manual scans of downloaded files or entire drives even.
Posted June 22, 2011
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AndrewC: Wait wait wait, you're running 2 real time scanners at the same time? That's one of the most bad moves one can possibly make, even disregarding all the UAC shenanigans.
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GameRager: 1 realtime, one not realtime but used for manual scans of downloaded files or entire drives even.
Oh, OK, that's better :)
Posted June 22, 2011
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GameRager: 1 realtime, one not realtime but used for manual scans of downloaded files or entire drives even.
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AndrewC: Oh, OK, that's better :)
I also have a third party suite of tools for stuff like scanning for broken links or registry orphans, securing browsers from new threats, checking for spyware, etc.
Posted June 22, 2011
One of my work colleagues was shown the firewall in UK Defense site. It consisted of two computers in a room - one exclusively on the internet, which had a printer, and the other was exclusively on the internal network, which had a scanner :D
Posted June 22, 2011
UAC + MSE + Windows Firewall + Common Sense. Best protection ever. ;)

By the way, the main purpose of UAC is not malware protection. :)
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GameRager: It's called unnecessary with my knowledge and setup.
It is unnecessary that you run so many security suites / programs. :p
Post edited June 22, 2011 by KavazovAngel
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