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Posted January 11, 2013
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anjohl: Procreation. And that, unequivocably, is the objective truth.
Precisely.....
Posted January 11, 2013
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Dischord: Here we go again, you woke back up.

Will address your points later; having fun now :-)

In the meanwhile, cry me another tune; have fun.
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Magnitus: Take your time, I'm not having as much fun (the node.js book I'm reading is not well structured I'm finding, did not make the best pick), but need to get back to my reading anyways.
Not having that much fun, have time, will destroy your arguments/lack of them publicly or via pm.

Grow up dude, and rant all of the things you've heard.
Posted January 11, 2013
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HomerSimpson: What truly matters to me?

Equivalent of a spoiler alert for corniness:

My wife and children and their well-being. All else is small potatoes.
Warning, this post is extremely politically incorrect, and just about as blunt and direct as anything I have ever posted on this site. You have been warned.

Ultimately, your wife is merely a means to an end in the grand scale of things. The children you have do carry your genes, as opposed to the potential children she might bear you. And if they appear hardly enough by now, your wife is at most a sociological construct/source of revenue. Cold, but ultimately true.

if you don't believe me, ask yourself this horrible, horrible question: If someone had you tied in a chair, with a gun pointing at your wife, and they themselves had a gun pointed at your children, and told you that either you shoot, or they do, what would you do?

You would shoot your wife.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by anjohl
Posted January 11, 2013
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Lionel212008: It is my humble opinion that human beings in general deem themselves as being far too important. There is no real or true meaning to life. We exist...and that is all there is to it. For in the scheme of things we are far less important than that of specks of dust. True knowledge is to know the extent of our ignorance.

In the words of the joker ""Ladies and Gentlemen! You've read about it in the papers! Now witness, before your very eyes, that most rare and tragic of nature's mistakes! I give you: the average man. Physically unremarkable, it instead possesses a deformed set of values. Notice the hideously bloated sense of humanity's importance. Also note the club-footed social conscience and the withered optimism. It's certainly not for the squeamish, is it? Most repulsive of all, are its frail and useless notions of order and sanity. If too much weight is placed upon them... they snap. How does it live, I hear you ask? How does this poor pathetic specimen survive in today's harsh and irrational environment? I'm afraid the sad answer is, "Not very well." Faced with the inescapable fact that human existence is mad, random, and pointless, one in eight of them crack up and go stark slavering buggo! Who can blame them? In a world as psychotic as this... any other response would be crazy!"

Well, truth be told. When I was young I wanted to watch the world burn. Instead.....
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Tallin: Why does everyone always need to compare their importance to the universe? No wonder so many have an inferiority complex. Just because we are relatively unimportant compared to something that is potentially infinite does not mean that you are uninmportant and your life has no meaning. That's some kind of hubris that tells you have to matter so much.
Well, you did not read my response in its entirety. I don't think that you need to imbibe within yourself an inferiority complex.It is all about how you look at it. It should actually act as a major relief for most people who imagine that there is some cosmic entity responsible for their existence. All I am saying is that the only things that matter in life are 'sex' and to an extent - seeking knowledge.There ain't no karma and all that BS. Your life is what you make of it and you pen your own script.;in other words you create your own reality...what's so bad about that and doesn't our ego get in our way at times?....Besides lowering people's self esteem has several advantages. Such as it is easier to get laid whence we have a greater number of very hot women with low self esteem...and who are dying to seek your approval. Chee pono....
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Lionel212008
Posted January 11, 2013
What really matters?

Happiness.

If you aren't happy then what's the damn point of everything else?
Posted January 11, 2013
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Magnitus: Take your time, I'm not having as much fun (the node.js book I'm reading is not well structured I'm finding, did not make the best pick), but need to get back to my reading anyways.
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Dischord: Just a quick suggestion, but you might enjoy life more if you weren't looking to smell shit in every corner you encountered.

Talk to you later, and enjoy.
I think that is a grossly unfair.

Just because I don't do hero worship or view people through rose colored glasses doesn't mean I actively dig the shit out.

I've just learned to accept and love people the way they are, warts and all.

Concerning the rest of your bashing on my character, I get the distinct impression that we must have had previous conversations you didn't like. Clearly, your memory is better than mine in that department (I tend to filter out bad exchanges with time and give people a fresh start).

Either way, I think you should chill out. You come off as way too intense and confrontational.

Makes me uncomfortable.

So, with the above in mind, I'll excuse myself from this exchange.

I'm here to have high minded discussions, not trade angry words.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by Magnitus
Posted January 11, 2013
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Magnitus: [
I think that is a grossly unfair.

Just because I don't do hero worship or view people through rose colored glasses doesn't mean I actively dig the shit out.

I've just learned to accept and love people the way they are, warts and all.

Concerning the rest of your bashing on my character, I get the distinct impression that we must have had previous conversations you didn't like. Clearly, your memory is better than mine in that department (I tend to filter out bad exchanges with time and give people a fresh start).

Either way, I think you should chill out. You come off as way too intense and confrontational.

Makes me uncomfortable.

So, with the above in mind, I'll excuse myself from this exchange.

I'm here to have high minded discussions, not trade angry words.
Apologize if you perceived character bashing, wasn't my intent.

Yes, we have exchanged before, and I have no bad feelings, but found the exchange to be overly drawn out, and without substance.

Have a good night.

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Posted January 11, 2013
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anjohl: Warning, this post is extremely politically incorrect, and just about as blunt and direct as anything I have ever posted on this site. You have been warned.

Ultimately, your wife is merely a means to an end in the grand scale of things. The children you have do carry your genes, as opposed to the potential children she might bear you. And if they appear hardly enough by now, your wife is at most a sociological construct/source of revenue. Cold, but ultimately true.

if you don't believe me, ask yourself this horrible, horrible question: If someone had you tied in a chair, with a gun pointing at your wife, and they themselves had a gun pointed at your children, and told you that either you shoot, or they do, what would you do?

You would shoot your wife.
It's an interesting and valid point that you make, anjohl. And I don't disagree with the specific scenario you put forward. If forced to choose between the survival of my children or the survival of my wife, I would choose my children. I'm sure my wife would do the same should it come down to choosing between me or the kids. And I wouldn't blame her one bit, either.

I apologize if I am misinterpreting your point, but I'm having trouble seeing how the hypothetical scenario you've posited makes my wife any less important to me or makes her not "truly matter" (again, to me). The things that are important to us, that truly matter, are based on our personal and subjective biases. Therefore, even if my wife soley filled the role of a source or revenue (which she doesn't, lest she somehow read this post) she could still truly matter if that filled my own criteria for what was important.
Posted January 11, 2013
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ovoon: You don't get it.

The title is what "truly" matters, not what is important.

And the wise men you referenced? They may be wise but that's not who I was talking about.

I'm talking about PEOPLE. Not celebrity "holier than thou's". Have you never met a wise old man? Spoken with someone who has lived?

Money is important, always will be. Always should be. But the world moves for love. It kneels before it in awe. (That's a quote from a really good movie btw.)

What truly matters in life, is that you don't live with an emptiness. Money cannot fill the void that we all have in us. I think there are many components that go into living a successful happy life, but money is no more than a necessity, and at the same time, a luxury. But is it what matters in life?

When I'm on my death bed, the last thing I want on my mind is "I did good, I made a lot of money."
Even though I imagine I will have by that time, I don't see that as my goal in life or as what ever mattered to me. It's something that comes and goes, and the smart man will attain it.

But feeling successful, happy, complete, needed, loved, cannot be attained through the goal of wanting big bucks. Many people that win the lottery destroy themselves because of it. Everything money can buy is a facade. Fake friends, fake love, and temporary happiness.

You people seem to think that the only other ideal is to have no money at all. That's garbage. I invest my money consistently. Financial wisdom is incredibly important to a healthy, happy lifestyle. But money truly mattering in life? If that is what life means to you, I feel for your soul.
It's easy to say that money doesn´t truly matters when you have money and don't have to worry about it. Some time ago my then girlfriend sent me this song: [url=]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qMxX-QOV9tI[/url] I found this verse interesting: "It's not about the money, money, money We don't need your money, money, money We just wanna make the world dance Forget about the price tag" I wonder if Jessie J got her pay for her record sales in hugs and kisses?

I've also seen my share of "old" men and women and overheard their stories. My father has a job placement agency and he helped a lot of "old" people to find a job. Usually they are astonished because in other places they reject them outright and then they are thankful for the job, because with a job they can support themselves and their families. Most of the times, old people here in my country have to work until they die. Most of them wish they had the chance to save more money for their retirement, because they don´t want or like to be a burden to their families.

How can you feel emptiness in your soul when your stomach is empty? Or when you don´t know if you´re going to have a roof over your head next month? How can you plan for the future when you barely live in the present? I If you think money only can buy fake things, I'm the one who is sorry for your soul. Your perspective of the world is narrow and naive.
Posted January 11, 2013
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Hawk52: What really matters?

Happiness.

If you aren't happy then what's the damn point of everything else?
Others being happy, maybe ?

In either a deontologic way (don't do to others what you don't want them to do to you, even if it makes you happy), or in a consequentialist "utilitarist" way (lower your happiness by 5 points if it raises people's happiness by 20 points)...
Posted January 11, 2013
"I'll teach you to be happy! I'll teach your grandmother to suck eggs!"
Posted January 11, 2013
"Although you know, how you still have much to cry, before you'll teach the world to laugh."
Posted January 11, 2013
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Marzooker: Looking back at what you've left behind...the things, the people, you never could imagine life without...you wonder at your passionate outcries!!! What is it that bound you so? Time helps loosen your grip...it hurts only for so long...and then you forget!

What remains with you throughout your Life???

Comments, Expressions, outpourings...Please!

Thanks :)
Pursuit of self should remain; in study, learning, life experience, work, application to cause, beliefs, travel. This one should evolve the most, maybe leaving some causes and beliefs behind as one matures.

Friends ideally remain; the ones who are true and rare, and dear beyond any wordly treasure. None shall be left behind, ideally.

Memory of romatinc cum sensuous love is for keeps; hopefully true and surely precious, but mostly not as lasting and disinterested as loving friendships. Some shall reasonably be left behind. :-)

Family, for good and band, bond that is not quite chosen. This just is.

And in case some frilly joys might be permitted - Sergio Rossi shoes! :-p For short persons, anything above three inch heels should be recycled - but heck, it is hard to let go, lol.
Posted January 11, 2013
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mario.arreola: How can you feel emptiness in your soul when your stomach is empty? Or when you don´t know if you´re going to have a roof over your head next month? How can you plan for the future when you barely live in the present? I If you think money only can buy fake things, I'm the one who is sorry for your soul. Your perspective of the world is narrow and naive.
I must agree with Mario that money does matter a lot when the basic human needs of food, shelter and medical care are not met.

If you have to struggle for your subsistence each and every day, where do you find the time to live? A lot of people still today go hungry in the world, and this is pain, not good existence.

If one has to make a point, most great artists and thinkers in world history have come from either privileged or at least middle class environment. How shall you pursue frienships, education, imagination, thinking if you are at brink of starvation, lest you simply be madly ambitious, otherwordly, or lucky?

Even communist theoreticians Marx or Lenin or Trotsky came from non-proletarian background, "wealthy middle class families or well to do farmers" - to theorize the ideal world for the poor or to write or compose about its struggles most conventionally is reserved for those who actually are not one of the the meek and the oppressed.

Beyond reasonable standard of living, yes, money is an enjoyment, but normally comes at a cost of time invested into work and education, unless one happens to be lucky enough to inherit a fortune.

edit: wrong snipping for quotation,corrected.
Post edited January 11, 2013 by TStael
Posted January 11, 2013
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anjohl: Warning, this post is extremely politically incorrect, and just about as blunt and direct as anything I have ever posted on this site. You have been warned.

Ultimately, your wife is merely a means to an end in the grand scale of things. The children you have do carry your genes, as opposed to the potential children she might bear you. And if they appear hardly enough by now, your wife is at most a sociological construct/source of revenue. Cold, but ultimately true.

if you don't believe me, ask yourself this horrible, horrible question: If someone had you tied in a chair, with a gun pointing at your wife, and they themselves had a gun pointed at your children, and told you that either you shoot, or they do, what would you do?

You would shoot your wife.
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HomerSimpson: It's an interesting and valid point that you make, anjohl. And I don't disagree with the specific scenario you put forward. If forced to choose between the survival of my children or the survival of my wife, I would choose my children. I'm sure my wife would do the same should it come down to choosing between me or the kids. And I wouldn't blame her one bit, either.

I apologize if I am misinterpreting your point, but I'm having trouble seeing how the hypothetical scenario you've posited makes my wife any less important to me or makes her not "truly matter" (again, to me). The things that are important to us, that truly matter, are based on our personal and subjective biases. Therefore, even if my wife soley filled the role of a source or revenue (which she doesn't, lest she somehow read this post) she could still truly matter if that filled my own criteria for what was important.
anjol might be thinking of "Funny Games", eh?

I just recently recall reading about a jewish wife of an ultimately a genral officer (i.e. Genralmajor and above) level fellow who suicided in 1939 so that their children could be "aryanized" in the National Socalist system.

But even beyond these very personal choices, there are Sophia and Hans Scholls in this world as well as Settlers passing tuberculosis infected blankets to the natives, i.e. some persons will die for noble principles, and others will pursue murder up to mass murder scale for even such relatively banal causes as economic gain or territorial conquest.

This said, Sophia and Hans were in a sad minority then, as they would be now. However, I do think that humans at their best are compassionate, and principeled. Nelson Mandela and Aung San Suu Kyi would be admirable examples of today.
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