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Posted April 28, 2016
UPDATE: Heads up! There are 24h left, so now is the time to take advantage of the amazing deals and upgrade your collections. Eyes on the price, Boo, eyes on the price!



Years ago, the Baldur's Gate series changed the way we look at gaming and the scope of what was considered possible. Even now, the legacy continues through the Enhanced Editions – thanks to the hard work and years of updates to keep the inimitable Infinity Engine living on.



It's the work on the Enhanced Editions that made <span class="bold">Siege of Dragonspear</span> possible – the just-released, massive expansion to the timeless classic, available only for Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition.

"The team at Beamdog was able to breathe a new life into the Infinity Engine classics." says Greg Tito, Communications Director for Dungeons & Dragons "We're proud to recognize their excellent work in offering the best possible experience and support for these legendary titles. We want these to become the definitive editions – featuring both the enhanced and classic versions of the games."

On April 29, Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition will be expanded to include the classic versions – each becoming the Definitive Edition Bundle and not available for purchase separately. If you already own the classics on GOG.com, the games currently on your shelf won't be affected.

"We're excited to take our commitment and support to Baldur's Gate and GOG fans to the next level and humbled to work with such great partners. The Definitive Edition Bundle will give every Baldur's Gate fan what they're looking for" – concludes Cameron Tofer, Beamdog COO.



In the near future, we're also looking forward to full GOG Galaxy support for achievements in Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition, Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition – as well as in the Baldur's Gate: Siege of Dragonspear expansion.

Baldur's Gate: Enhanced Edition will be 75% off until April 4 11:59 PM PDT / April 5 2:59 AM EDT/ 7:59 BST and 60% off until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 60% discount for Baldur's Gate II: Enhanced Edition, and Icewind Dale: Enhanced Edition until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST. The 85% discount for owners of the original saga will last until April 29 10:59 AM PDT / 1:59 PM EDT / 18:59 BST.
Post edited April 02, 2016 by maladr0Id
Posted April 06, 2016
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DubConqueror: I listened to the whole album yesterday: it's the original recordings added with tracks written especially for the Enhanced Edition games.
Thanks! I guess I'll have to give this a bit of thought, then.
Posted April 06, 2016
85% off? BUYING
Posted April 06, 2016
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Ed Greenwood

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 6:56pm

"I am saddened by what I hear of the current kerfluffle raging about Siege of Dragonspear and the trans character Amber Scott designed and included in it.

Folks, the Realms have ALWAYS had characters (mortals and deities) who crossdressed, changed gender (and not just to sneak past guards in an adventure, by way of shapeshifting magic or illusions), were actively bisexual, and openly gay. How underscored this was by TSR and later Wizards varied over time, and was always softpedaled, because D&D wasn't a sex game, and we generally don't rub the reader's nose in sex unless there's a good in-story reason for it.

But even deities have changed gender, sometimes for good, and the servants of deities (Elminster, in ELMINSTER: THE MAKING OF A MAGE) have sometimes been forced by the deity to "spend time as the other" to learn what life is like.

So it has always been there, and is an integral part of the Realms. With that said, I've never met a gamer yet who doesn't tinker with every adventure to "make it their own" at their own gaming table, so if trans, LGBT, or sexual matters at all don't suit your tastes and needs in your gaming sessions, leave it out or change it.

But D&D has half-orcs, and half-dragons, and half-elves, and has magic items that specifically change gender, right there in the rules. Surely, if you can handle the basic notion of cross-SPECIES sex, having a full variety of gender roles should be something that doesn't blow your mind. If it's not for you, that's fine. I hate wearing certain shades of yellow. But I don't scream and yell at someone I see wearing those shades of yellow, and call them names, and threaten things. My right to dislike yellow applies to me; it doesn't extend to others. Because somehow, through an incredible oversight on the part of the universe that still hasn't been rectified, no one made me a god. (I'm still crushed.)"
Post edited April 06, 2016 by ValamirCleaver
Posted April 06, 2016
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Ed Greenwood

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 6:56pm

"I am saddened by what I hear of the current kerfluffle raging about Siege of Dragonspear and the trans character Amber Scott designed and included in it.
If what I have heard is true, then my problem is not that a character is cross-gendered (I don't give a rat's ass about that), but how it is presented (allegedly in their first line of dialogue with something like "Hello, <charname>! We haven't met before, but you need to know that I am cross-gendered.")

Also, I'm fairly sure this post is the first I have uttered on the subject.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Maighstir
Posted April 06, 2016
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Maighstir: If what I have heard is true, then my problem is not that a character is cross-gendered (I don't give a rat's ass about that), but how it is presented (allegedly in their first line of dialogue with something like "Hello, <charname>! We haven't met before, but you need to know that I am cross-gendered.")

Also, I'm fairly sure this post is the first I have uttered on the subject.
The actual dialogue is even more cringe-worthy IMO.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Ed Greenwood

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 6:56pm

"I am saddened by what I hear of the current kerfluffle raging about Siege of Dragonspear and the trans character Amber Scott designed and included in it.
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Maighstir: If what I have heard is true, then my problem is not that a character is cross-gendered (I don't give a rat's ass about that), but how it is presented (allegedly in their first line of dialogue with something like "Hello, <charname>! We haven't met before, but you need to know that I am cross-gendered.")

Also, I'm fairly sure this post is the first I have uttered on the subject.
Do not forget the fact that after talking with the transgender NPC, you can proceed to killing him/her for some 2k XP. No consequences for that action...Way to represent the real problems that those people are facing. Basically the message sent comes even worse: it's okay to abuse those people and you will suffer no consequences for doing it.

I dislike both GamerGate and the so-called "SJW". Both sides have extreme members that are bordeline totalitarian in thinking, while preaching inclusion, freedom of speech and so on....Welcome to 1984, a true, real Brave New World.....You can't be neutral. Both sides have the mentality that if you are not with them, you are against them. Both are harmful. Both are just divisive, making things worse than better.

You can't force change. Just take a hard look at the "arab spring" aftermath. Most of those countries reverted to either chaos or dictatorships. Change must always come from within. When people are ready, they will change. That's the natural evolution. Anything else...welcome to the police state.

And in the end i will point to the words of Ben Franklin:

"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
Post edited April 06, 2016 by wolfsrain
Posted April 06, 2016
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I wouldn't and will never give even 0.01$ for Beamdog versions. I am quite content with originals.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Maighstir: If what I have heard is true, then my problem is not that a character is cross-gendered (I don't give a rat's ass about that), but how it is presented (allegedly in their first line of dialogue with something like "Hello, <charname>! We haven't met before, but you need to know that I am cross-gendered.")
What you've heard is incorrect, this is the first line that the NPC says:
"I am Mizhena, faithful of Tempus. Praise be to the Lord of Battles!"

I originally chose the third response:
3. "Praise him, praise him! Have you any healing or potions for sale?"

Mizhena replies with:
"Quatermaster Belegarm handles supplies. I may be able to help you with cleric services though. The Lord of Battle's favor is a handy thing to have, especially at times like these."

The discussion ends and the healing services / donation menu opens. After that my party left to explore the map.

The other three of the initial four options are"
1. "The Lord of Battles?"
2. "Mizhena? That's an unusual name. I don't think I've heard it before."
4. "Battles are for fighting, not worshiping. I'm off to find one."

I had been playing the game over the course of a couple of days before I had even noticed they complaints online regarding the NPC. By this time I had already spoken to the NPC a few different times, but have never encountered the NPC's lines that were causing complaints.
Posted April 06, 2016
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wolfsrain: Do not forget the fact that after talking with the transgender NPC, you can proceed to killing him/her for some 2k XP. No consequences for that action...
I don't actually remember how it's supposed to work, but I believe that guards only start to chase you if a guard or civilian is close enough when you murder someone, and that you only get a diminutive amount of XP when killing a civilian.

If I remember correctly, the XP gain is definitely wrong, but "no consequence" is only wrong if people are close enough that the trigger should happen. Both should be regarded as bugs.

Of course, there may be lore reasons as well, which negate at least the latter, for example that the character has annoyed or angered the other people around so much that they don't give a shit about them being killed in cold blood.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by Maighstir
Posted April 06, 2016
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Gilozard: The rights are more split up than that. There's a discussion of who has which rights upthread, suffice it to say Beamdog is not the sole owner.

And yes, it is as simple as that.

GOG customers were sold a valid license, which means that the game can't be removed from their shelves even if the store isn't selling new licenses.

GOG promises to keep games updated for new operating systems, so 1) there's a potential legal argument if they try to back out, and 2) it would be horrible PR so they're not going to unless they're closing.

We have previous scenarios exactly the same as this one, and we know what it looks like. People really don't need to worry.
I am mostly afraid that Beamdog will "patch" the originals and screw them up, since for what I see, they seem to have a seething hatred for Bioware's/Black Isle's vision of the Realms.

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Maighstir: If what I have heard is true, then my problem is not that a character is cross-gendered (I don't give a rat's ass about that), but how it is presented (allegedly in their first line of dialogue with something like "Hello, <charname>! We haven't met before, but you need to know that I am cross-gendered.")

Also, I'm fairly sure this post is the first I have uttered on the subject.
Nah, she says it when you ask for her name. It is more like "Hey that is an odd name, where does that come from?" "I was born a boy but I felt like I was a woman bla bla bla bla btw I created the name by taking sylabes from every language I knew (which apparently is only Czech, since it means sometthing like "male-female") to make this one who is who I am now". Still gratuitous but not as far as first sentence.

But to be honest, the problem isn't be as much the trasgender character, as it is the horrible writing everywhere. It is the worst I've seen out of an Infinity Engine, and this is including some of the horrible self insertion fan made mods. You have an NPC treating you with an "Ohh maaan yeeeah maaaan totally groovy maaaaan" thing as well, a Companion who tells you not to "mansplain" and the list goes on and on and on...it is a sum of cringeworthy content which together really bugs people, not one single factor.

That and the myriad of bugs.
Post edited April 06, 2016 by bayzent
Posted April 06, 2016
Why don't you guys go ahead and provide people who own the original titles with the definite edition bundles, or at least provide a discount for us to upgrade to the new versions?

I paid good money for the original bundles not too long before the Enhanced Editions were announced and released; making my previous purchases obsolete.
Posted April 06, 2016
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flamming_python: Why don't you guys go ahead and provide people who own the original titles with the definite edition bundles, or at least provide a discount for us to upgrade to the new versions?
I paid good money for the original bundles not too long before the Enhanced Editions were announced and released; making my previous purchases obsolete.
Umm, but they do. 85%.
Posted April 06, 2016
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flamming_python: Why don't you guys go ahead and provide people who own the original titles with the definite edition bundles, or at least provide a discount for us to upgrade to the new versions?
I paid good money for the original bundles not too long before the Enhanced Editions were announced and released; making my previous purchases obsolete.
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Grargar: Umm, but they do. 85%.
Oh uh OK
Posted April 06, 2016
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Ed Greenwood
Trust the old perv to completely miss the point of, like, everything.

Magic items which change a character's gender against their will isn't a feature, it's fucked up.
Temporarily presenting as another gender to "learn what it's like" is called "tourism" and is fucked up (also, completely different from the experience of a transgender person).
Forcibly changing someone's gender to teach them a lesson is fucked up.
Using traps which leave characters lol!nekkid! at conventions with strangers who in no way signed up for an erotically charged sexventure is fucked up.

Now, none if this applies to Siege of Dragonspear, but Greenwood isn't exactly the best person to vet the appropriateness of sexual content.
Posted April 06, 2016
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Ed Greenwood

Tuesday, April 5, 2016 at 7:06pm

"And another thing: I have always felt HONOURED to have met, worked with, and enjoyed the work of so many talented women in all of my professional fields (library work has traditionally been dominated by females, gaming hasn't, and fiction-writing was male-dominated when I was young, but has steadily shifted throughout my lifetime). Does Paul Jaquays becoming Jennell Jaquays rob his, now her, artwork or game design or prose of one iota of its richness and the enjoyment it gives me? NO! And how by the Nine flaming Hells does one human being made happier by being the gender they prefer to be lessen my own security, or happiness, or make my life the less?

Sheesh.

The world has REAL problems, people. Telling someone else how to behave in bed (or dress, or what jobs they can hold down) isn't one of them. Or shouldn't be."
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