Posted January 20, 2013

keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland

Fictionvision
Registered: Jul 2012
From United States
Posted January 20, 2013
You have to be online to install a game from disc, and when you are and steam sees there is an update you are forced to download it before playing. The one time I installed from a retail disc, Steam already started downloading stuff as the install was going on. So if your connection is bad you still have to wait before playing your game when doing an install. You just might have to wait less depending on how much of the game has changed.

keeveek
NOPE
Registered: Dec 2009
From Poland
Posted January 20, 2013


McDon
Lazy and Proud
Registered: Jul 2011
From Ireland
Posted January 20, 2013


StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted January 20, 2013

It's not that the majority don't care, as amok says. That is not the case. The majority care, and they PREFER Steam.

McDon
Lazy and Proud
Registered: Jul 2011
From Ireland
Posted January 20, 2013


It's not that the majority don't care, as amok says. That is not the case. The majority care, and they PREFER Steam.

VoodooEconomist
Bhikshu
Registered: May 2009
From Poland
Posted January 20, 2013
Are the majority of PC gamers you know in the lowest income bracket and/or in the 18-25 demographic? If so, I'd suggest that it's not actually the DRM that's the reason for that, even if that is the stated reason...

Gersen
New User
Registered: Sep 2008
From Switzerland
Posted January 20, 2013


No problem with that... but saying that, just because the majority like/prefer/think something then everybody should accept it and live with it is just beyond silly... not to mention pretty dangerous; and I am not just talking only about Steam but in general.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Gersen

StingingVelvet
Devil's Advocate
Registered: Nov 2008
From United States
Posted January 20, 2013
Most people I know who really cared about music refused to shop on iTunes because it had a low bitrate and DRM. On the other hand most people I know who really care about games prefer Steam over DRM free because of the client advantages, social features, ease of use and lack of DRM that bothers them (SecuROM, limited activations, etc.)
Gersen: Like it prefer fat saturated food, reality TV and Farming Simulator is one of the best selling PC games series ever created...
No problem with that... but saying that, just because the majority like/prefer/think something then everybody should accept it and live with it is just beyond silly... not to mention pretty dangerous; and I am not just talking only about Steam but in general. I'm not saying Titanic and Avatar are the best movies ever made or that humans are infallible. What I am saying is that if you're making a game for the PC and the vast majority of your audience want it on Steam and to have Steam features, then you please that audience.
You can't yell at companies for doing what their consumers want. You can't pretend your minority fringe is more relevant.

No problem with that... but saying that, just because the majority like/prefer/think something then everybody should accept it and live with it is just beyond silly... not to mention pretty dangerous; and I am not just talking only about Steam but in general.
You can't yell at companies for doing what their consumers want. You can't pretend your minority fringe is more relevant.

VoodooEconomist
Bhikshu
Registered: May 2009
From Poland
Posted January 20, 2013

So the best way to combat restrictive DRM is not by a righteous outcry, but by making DRM-free cost-efficient; voting with your wallets. Or starting a business modelled to make DRM-freedom synonymous with it's brand and hopeful success (as GOG did).
I for one did my share and bought every Paradox title on GamersGate, mainly because it's a store owned by them and I hoped that they would get a larger cut of my payment. But I understand their decision, and though it saddens me deeply, I will not blame them for it - they are professionals and deserve to be paid for their (outstanding) work and pursue the most beneficial way for them to do it.

Gersen
New User
Registered: Sep 2008
From Switzerland
Posted January 20, 2013

More seriously iTune was extremely successful before they decided to get rid of DRMs, it was mostly a PR stunt (which for once was a good thing for customers), but I doubt it was really something the "needed" to do.
Of course you can, why wouldn't you ? After all you are one of their customers too, if they do something you don't like then you perfectly have the right to tell them so, whenever you are in the huge majority or in a tiny winy the minority is totally irrelevant.

_ChaosFox_
Zero fox given.
Registered: Nov 2008
From Germany
Posted January 20, 2013
Post edited January 20, 2013 by jamyskis

amok
FREEEEDOOOM!!!!
Registered: Sep 2008
From United Kingdom
Posted January 20, 2013
(Paradox no longer owns GG, or only did so up to 2009, I think. It is its own company and have no official relations with Paradox (like gOg is a sister company of CD red). Unofficial is something else.)

amccour
New User
Registered: Dec 2009
From United States
Posted January 20, 2013
First World Problems !!

VoodooEconomist
Bhikshu
Registered: May 2009
From Poland
Posted January 20, 2013

