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General discussion (archive)Europa Universalis 4 will be sold with Steam only(174 posts)(174 posts)
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Posted January 19, 2013
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Immoli: CK2 is DRM-free somewhere?

Greenmangaming, Gamestop, Gamefly. Amazon, Steam, and Gamersgate all sell DRMed copies.

Was it retail only or something? If so that might explain why it didn't sell.
??? CK2 is one of the biggest sellers of all the Paradox developed games. It has sold very well. The GG version that fans claimed they'd buy in droves didn't, hence Pdox dropping that and going with the version where 95% of their sales occurred.
Posted January 19, 2013
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Pheace: Yeah! Screw these developers for going with the most beneficial option when most of their userbase is already using it anywaY!! WHAAAGHHH!!
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Bloodygoodgames: Congratulations for being one of the sheeple.

Thank God my parents taught me to think for myself.
So you were brainwashed by your parents?
Posted January 19, 2013
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Crassmaster: ??? CK2 is one of the biggest sellers of all the Paradox developed games. It has sold very well.
I didn't mean sales for the game, but sales for the DRM-free version specifically.
Posted January 19, 2013
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Crassmaster: ??? CK2 is one of the biggest sellers of all the Paradox developed games. It has sold very well.
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Immoli: I didn't mean sales for the game, but sales for the DRM-free version specifically.
The GG version was the specifically Steam free version. They only went ahead with that because people claimed they'd buy that version of it if it existed. Not so much...the vocal minority didn't represent sales beyond the vocal minority.

I've never seen any claim that there was going to be a 100% DRM free version anywhere.
Posted January 19, 2013
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Immoli: Gamersgate all sell DRMed copies.
GamersGate is listed as DRM free. It does require a connection to download the DLC, but not to actually play it.
Posted January 20, 2013
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Immoli: I didn't mean sales for the game, but sales for the DRM-free version specifically.
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Crassmaster: I've never seen any claim that there was going to be a 100% DRM free version anywhere.
Well the [gamersgate] page claims it is, and some people brought it up in the thread.

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mystral: Frankly this shows that the whole DRM-hating segment of the gaming community is just a very vocal, but very small, minority,
Implying there is a DRM-free version available somewhere, as opposed to just a steam-free version.

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Immoli: Gamersgate all sell DRMed copies.
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PenutBrittle: GamersGate is listed as DRM free. It does require a connection to download the DLC, but not to actually play it.
It requires an internet connection to install the base game. Or at least the few games I got from there that are listed as DRM-free do. I assume it would be the same for this game.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Immoli
Posted January 20, 2013
For anyone that has Gamersgate games listed as DRM Free and want to make actual backups of the installers check this post here.

Some of the installers might not even need it. The Dungeons and Dragons Anthology unrars a full installer on your hard drive that can be backed up easily.

Yes I know posting more about removing the DRM from the GG installers has a slim chance of raising awareness to companies that might complain. However with the questionable state of the company after continued screw-ups that cost them money, I find it more important to let people know how to back up their purchases if they aren't aware.
Posted January 20, 2013
People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.
Posted January 20, 2013
Oh wow, if this is the case, I will be boycotting Paradox, a company I love, going forward. I am fine with them selling Gamersgate, but if they abandon their DRM philosophy with their strategy releases, I will stop buying them.
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Silverhawk170485: I think Steam is preferred because of the social crap it offers. Who cares that i've walked 1000 steps ingame?
But the most kiddies today can't even go to toilet without posting which pattern their toiletpaper has.
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keeveek: Steam version of Crusader Kings 2 doesn't have achievements and any other functionality than GG version.

As I've said, and I will say it again There are no differences between GG and Steam version. They even have the same checksum proving they use the exact same files.

You guys are exaggerating the anti-steam hatered. Most gamers don't care about steam, many like it, and they just want to buy a game cheap.
This doesn't matter if you will not willingly give up your legal rights to access your steam account though, does it?

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mystral: Well, that's a shame, although I don't dislike Steam so much that it will prevent me from buying EU 4.

Frankly this shows that the whole DRM-hating segment of the gaming community is just a very vocal, but very small, minority, and that developers can safely ignore them without suffering much of a loss.
And it shows that bowing to the demands of people on your forum is a very bad idea, since they're not t all representative of the silent majority.
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SLP2000: Or this shows that if you want to sell DRM-free games you should sell them on GOG, not on GG.
Paradox on GOG would be HUGE, and I think they'd do quite well here.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by anjohl
Posted January 20, 2013
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Bloodygoodgames: Thank God my parents taught me to think for myself. Unfortunately, most of the younger generation are nothing more than robots tying themselves to big corporations and talking away all choice. Rah rah Steam. Fanboys - you're hilarious.
Amen. The theme of the 2000's for me has been corporate cheerleading, which I find intensely distressing. Any company that holds your past purchased game library hostage with a gun to your head, forcing you to either sue them, or agree to never be able to sue them is not a company I want anything to do with.
Posted January 20, 2013
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anjohl: Amen. The theme of the 2000's for me has been corporate cheerleading, which I find intensely distressing. Any company that holds your past purchased game library hostage with a gun to your head, forcing you to either sue them, or agree to never be able to sue them is not a company I want anything to do with.
If you mean Valve, they didn't change it so you couldn't sue them. They changed it so you couldn't use a class action lawsuit. Which is a change following a courtcase somewhere else completely that made this possible, and a lot of places changed their rules to follow that.

You can still sue them all you want.
Posted January 20, 2013
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StingingVelvet: People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.
With this kind of mentality we would still have DRM on audio files and limited activation... a small minority might be unlikely to change things but on the other side a silent majority never will change anything.
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Gersen
Posted January 20, 2013
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StingingVelvet: People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.
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Gersen: With this kind of mentality we would still have DRM on audio files and limited activation... a small minority might be unlikely to change things but on the other side a silent majority never will change anything.
A silent majority is a majority who do not care...
Posted January 20, 2013
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amok: A silent majority is a majority who do not care...
That's exactly the issue.
Posted January 20, 2013
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StingingVelvet: People like Steam. A small minority who do not changes nothing. The sooner you accept it the better your gaming experience will be.
They might just read this as "submit for your own good." I my experience, you accept steam when a certain game (in my case, Empire TW) breaks you.

Actually went through the five stages of "depression" when I heard that E:TW was steamworks :)

But it had mostly to do with the fact that my internet connection at the time was shit, not the client tbh
Post edited January 20, 2013 by Titanium
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