Oh i should ask btw, as modding have allways created the best versions of the EU games, isn't modding harder for steamworks-dependent games? I've heard some issues about the forced "fixings" of certain games (i just know this has been the issue with certain TW mods)

I allmost didn't play divine wind at all because of Death&Taxes :)

Depends on the game and how mods work on it I'd say. If it needs to modify the executable, then it may be harder for steamworks, but if it only needs to modify gamefiles, it shouldn't be that harder, assuming you don't verify the game's cache.

Well I will say it is better for them to do this now if they are going to than wait until after the game is out and spring it as a surprise on people. Then you end up with a situation where they either let the DRM free version lag behind, like has happened with Trine 2. Or one where they out and out don't support the DRM free version and all links to buy DLC in game are just advertisements for the steam store, like Dungeon Defenders.

In Europa 3, there was a problem where Steam automatically added in every expansion you bought, so you couldn't install mods that were not compatible with Divine Wind.

However, in Crusader Kings 2 they fixed this issue with a launcher that lets you enable and disable DLC and mods every time you start the game. And mods have worked perfectly well with the Steam version of Crusader Kings 2. I assume they will probably use a similar system for EU4.

Exe modifiers are a problem with Steam games. Other than that it's mostly the same really. In fact, with the Workshop for mods at least for consumers it's pretty damn convenient now in a lot of ways. (and a little less in others as manually adjusting mods can get messed up by the workshop's automated handling of it)

GF tossed like 70+ mods on Skyrim the other day, didn't have to do anything but push subscribe for them and start the game. Pretty sweet in that sense. Not to mention you could uninstall and reinstall and have the same mods (updated) ready for you when you start the game. (can be a good or a bad thing if some mods are seriously outdated)

Paradox mentioned, that all future games will go with the CK2 model for DLC, expansions and mods, meaning that you can choose the ones you want to play in the startup menu of the game. So this shouldn't be a problem anymore.

That's good. I've considered illegally redownloading HTTT and EU3 to be able to play it. I've never liked Divine Wind and their "It's working as intended!" to it's broken features made me give up on it.

The only Paradox title I own on Steam is Magicka, so I don't really know: how is it that you can't just install HTTT and EU3 on their own?

Anyway there are many high quality mods for Divine Wind, take a look at them and maybe you won't have to uninstall ^.^

The thread at paradox plaza is still longer...

The way Steam handled the DLC for EU3 is it would automatically install them. No separate prompts or selections or anything. So once you upgraded to a DLC, you were stuck with that DLC. No matter how much I dislike Divine Wind, it will automatically install anytime I put EU3 on my PC. Part of the reason I bought CK2 at GamersGate, I didn't want to be stuck in that situation again.

It's been months since I tried DW. Maybe they fixed all the iffy design decisions, who knows.

Ouch, that's tough. But in CK2 you choose what you launch with as far as I know, and EU4 will do it that way as well.

As far as mods are concerned, if you've registered on the foruums go here:

http://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?357-EU3-User-Modifications

There's also a patch 5.2 beta version, since Steam versions of Paradox games that don't use steamworks are usually DRM-light, you can copy all your gamefiles to another location and try install the new patch there.

Hope it helps!

Well, the difference is that Divine WInd, Heir to the Throne and the previous 3 were expansions, and not really DLC.
For CK 2, even if you've bought a DLC, you can choose at any time to play without it.

Also, if I may ask, what did you hate about DW?
If it was the whole war declaration mechanic that caused world wars all the time, they more or less fixed that in the 5.2 beta.
And you can just turn the "aggressiveness" setting for the AI at the beginning of a game to low to pretty much get rid of all the huge wars.

I'm sure there are mods to make the situation better too, although I haven't checked.

I personally skipped DW. Just didn't have any changes I was interested in.

By the way, main thing that concerns me about this -- I have a lot of games on gamersgate. Paradox used to run gamersgate. If Paradox isn't selling their own stuff through GG, that concerns me a bit for GG's future, as well as my access to the games I own on GG.

I'm also imagining that Paradox will still sell EU4 steam keys through gamersgate.

I don't really have an issue with buying from multiple stores, but I do worry about stores /going under/. I only had a few things from Totalgaming, for instance, but they're all gone now.

If I'm not mistaken, after you download the installation files from GG you can simply back them up and that will be that. So yeah, you should do that if you have the opportunity, just like you should back up all games you have on GOG.

CK2 is DRM-free somewhere?

Greenmangaming, Gamestop, Gamefly. Amazon, Steam, and Gamersgate all sell DRMed copies.

Was it retail only or something? If so that might explain why it didn't sell.