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Elmofongo: Question:

I got the first issues of three of the Crisis story lines and they were selling them for free.

I know people say Crisis on Infinite Earth is good, but how are Infinite and Final Crisis, Good or Bad?

Also how is Zero Hour: Crisis in Time and Identity Crisis?

Finally I noticed the website I go to

http://www.readdcentertainment.com/

does no have all issues, meaning DCs really bad ones like JLA Act of God, its like DC knew those comics were bad they refuse to sell it in there own site or maybe I am not finding right, what I am saying is not all the comics they have published are here?
Crises on Infinite Earths: Very good, but has some corny dialogue. At the time, it was written to celebrate 50 years of comic history, as they were wiping the slate clean (and kind of failed). Worth reading, storyline is mostly self-contained, so other than not knowing who a few characters are, no problem following what's going on.

Infinite Crises: Hated it; practically requires reading multiple story-lines leading into the event, very dark, violent, and nasty. Somewhat popular, but the real litmus test if whether you liked the Battlestar Galactica reboot. If you did, you'll probably like this, as long as you read a wiki on the background going into it, otherwise, avoid.

Final Crises: I read it without reading the lead-in mini-series, and was very confused what was going on. The central premise is a very big deal, and is never explained except in passing. It had a good, dark atmosphere, but one of Grant Morrison's problems as a writer is that he tends to write like he's hopped up on hallucinogenic mushrooms, LSD, and several other drugs. Mixed on this one, and it had FInal Fantasy syndrome, where a guy you never heard of shows up at the last minute as "the real villain". I'd read it if you can do so for free from your local library. The final issue was a confusing mess.

Zero Hour: Completely skippable, not bad, just... pointless.
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DodoGeo: Not being a fan of Superhero comics I'd take stuff from Vertigo an imprint of DC.

Titles like Hellblazer, Sandman, Lucifer, Fables, Preacher, Y the Last Man, Transmetropolitan, V for Vendetta, A History of Violence, Scalped, 100 Bullets.
Hey I read the premise of the story and it was interesting, but sadly I could not find it in the DC website so I rented the movie.........it was bad.


The acting was chessy, the characters had poor character developments, the climactic fight in the end was bullshit, some sub plots were just glanced over, and generally rushed moments.


Please tell me the graphic novel is not like the movie because the premise of the story is too good to be ruined by a shitty movie.
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Luisfius: 52, Final Crisis
This so much
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DodoGeo: Not being a fan of Superhero comics I'd take stuff from Vertigo an imprint of DC.

Titles like Hellblazer, Sandman, Lucifer, Fables, Preacher, Y the Last Man, Transmetropolitan, V for Vendetta, A History of Violence, Scalped, 100 Bullets.
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Elmofongo: Hey I read the premise of the story and it was interesting, but sadly I could not find it in the DC website so I rented the movie.........it was bad.

The acting was chessy, the characters had poor character developments, the climactic fight in the end was bullshit, some sub plots were just glanced over, and generally rushed moments.

Please tell me the graphic novel is not like the movie because the premise of the story is too good to be ruined by a shitty movie.
Worst move possible, the movie is horrible, just garbage. Get the comicbook if you can.

First of the main character was moddeled after Sting, so a blond, cocky englishman. How the hell they casted Neo for the role is beyond anyone. He isn't even a hero, he's a neutral character, sort of a trickster who screws over both Heaven and Hell. Even the storyline they took for the movie was done so much better in the comics.


edit: Just saw the bolded part, by the description I was thinking you saw Constantine by the description.

A History of Violence is a damn solid movie, don't know what you usually like to watch but this really isn't a bad movie and most people agree on that.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/history_of_violence/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399146/?ref_=sr_1
Post edited July 27, 2013 by DodoGeo
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Elmofongo: Hey I read the premise of the story and it was interesting, but sadly I could not find it in the DC website so I rented the movie.........it was bad.

The acting was chessy, the characters had poor character developments, the climactic fight in the end was bullshit, some sub plots were just glanced over, and generally rushed moments.

Please tell me the graphic novel is not like the movie because the premise of the story is too good to be ruined by a shitty movie.
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DodoGeo: Worst move possible, the movie is horrible, just garbage. Get the comicbook if you can.

First of the main character was moddeled after Sting, so a blond, cocky englishman. How the hell they casted Neo for the role is beyond anyone. He isn't even a hero, he's a neutral character, sort of a trickster who screws over both Heaven and Hell. Even the storyline they took for the movie was done so much better in the comics.

edit: Just saw the bolded part, by the description I was thinking you saw Constantine by the description.

A History of Violence is a damn solid movie, don't know what you usually like to watch but this really isn't a bad movie and most people agree on that.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/history_of_violence/
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0399146/?ref_=sr_1
How was the comic book version of a history of violance?

Anyway the acting just felt cheesy, for example the scene with the buglary of the cafe, the 2 robbers were making too big of a commotion, talking too loud and screaming angrily, a real robber would do it quitely and get the money as fast as they can without attracting too much attention from everyone outside so no cops will come.

Oh and the sex scenes made me cringe, I could forgive the first one with the wife dressing in a cheerleader outfit (even though it was corny as hell for me) the second one was just awkward, the second one was just awkward, it just cam out of nowhere that I thought he was gonna rape her but no some, "Argh I am angry at you, but I love baby, ok I forgive you, lets have sex" moment.

Speaking of which the reaction of the wife finding out her husband was actually a member of a mafia gang just felt rushed, like after she finds out she immediatly hates even though they have been married with each other for decades obviously, and the man could have asked he is sorry for lying to her, but no she's pissed at him for lying, as if she completely forgotten her long relationship with him.

The dialogue is stupid sometimes, no real person would words like this movie's dialoge.

This is just one scene from the beginning of the film where the family was comforting their most one dimentional daughter ever.

Daughter: May I leave the lamp turned on?

Mother: "I think thats a brilliante solution"

A normal person would say: "I think thats a good idea." or "ok/alright" This one might sound nitpicky, but there are a lot of other examples to quote.

The final fight in the film with richie was bullshit, the part where his henchmen was garroting Joey but fucks up misarbly, while Richie pulls out a gun and tries to shoot him but fails, perhaps its because he was shooting him from the hip instead of aiming his gun and Joey was at point blank range, to quote Richie himself," How do you fuck that up!?"

Finally the plot holes, like the one where what to the other plot points in the film, like the son beating up his bully, but after that incident it was never mentioned again, and the cop that was obviously accusing Tom that he might be the real Joey, but we do not see that plot point again.

Man this is going on long enough, this movie is a piece of shit that I am surprised that every critic is giving it positive reviews, and perhaps its because the premise of the story is good and I liked the premise a lot when I read it in wikipedia, but the execution of the story was horrible just horrible.

So I end by asking, does the comic book fix all the problems I have written?
Post edited July 27, 2013 by Elmofongo
Batman Year One is a must
I heard good things about the new 52 Action Comics and Batman
Kingdom Come
Superman Birthright
All Star Superman
Watchmen

can't say many more as I myself am fairly new to buying them
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Elmofongo: ...
Well le't's say the comic has a diferent vibe to it. While the movie focuses with the family problems that have arisen by the whole situation the comic book gives more insight how this all came to be via flashbacks.

Also the kid and the bully situation is gone and the whole finale is vastly different.
So the anwser sould be yes, but I'm a bit at a loss here as I really don't see all the problems listed as issuses with the movie.
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DodoGeo: Well le't's say the comic has a diferent vibe to it. While the movie focuses with the family problems that have arisen by the whole situation the comic book gives more insight how this all came to be via flashbacks.

Also the kid and the bully situation is gone and the whole finale is vastly different.
So the anwser sould be yes, but I'm a bit at a loss here as I really don't see all the problems listed as issuses with the movie.
If you get the chance watch the film with the problems I have posted and coming from watching better drama/crime films (Like Scarface, Pulp Fiction, Dog Day Afternoon, and Reservoir Dogs) this movie in my eyes just blows.
Saw all the films you listed and many more (some better and worse) and all I can say that it's just not in the same vein as the ones listed. I get it now why you wouldn't like it.
For example, Tarantno's movies have brilliant dialogue, but it's over the top artiicial as no one actually talks like that. It's a surreal mix of pop culture and snappy "everything about nothing" almost like a Seinfeld show.

I'd sooner compare it to The Heat, Collateral, The Town, Eastern Promises.
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DodoGeo: Saw all the films you listed and many more (some better and worse) and all I can say that it's just not in the same vein as the ones listed. I get it now why you wouldn't like it.
For example, Tarantno's movies have brilliant dialogue, but it's over the top artiicial as no one actually talks like that. It's a surreal mix of pop culture and snappy "everything about nothing" almost like a Seinfeld show.

I'd sooner compare it to The Heat, Collateral, The Town, Eastern Promises.
Hey I like to ask is Y: The Last Man a good series, I got the first issue for free.

The plot sounds to weird for me that I am hesitant to buy more comics, like I am worried this story just gives way to indirectly fufilling the sexual fantasies of male readers.

Is this series story and excution legit and not what I said above?
Zero Hour is can be passed as most of what happened in that story arc was more or less undone shortly after (the book affected the Justice Society more than any other character or group and they pretty much got back on there feet shortly after this event and actually became a huge seller.)

Identity Crisis is a good read, it is on the dark side however and tend to put the motives of many heroes in question.

For new 52 I would recommend Earth 2, it's a re-invention of the original Golden Age DC characters with a few twists giving something new but familiar.

Another good read is The Flash: The Return of Barry Allen. Some good character work in this one showing ow Wally West deals with Berry Allen's "Return". Also gives Jay Garrick a good outing.
For the superhero stuff, I would recommend Batman The Long Halloween & Batman Vs Predator (the first one).

For the non-superhero stuff , I would recommend The Demon from the new 52, The Losers, Y the Last Man, Sandman, Death miniseries, Transmetropolitan, Black Lamb and Jonah Hex (the Joe R Lansdale and Tim Truman run). The Jonah Hex is very different from the movie. Its like a western supernatural dark comedy.
If you are able to get it Mike Grell's run on Green Arrow is a good read also the original Crisis on Infinite Earths.

Forgot to add the New Teen Titans run by Marv Wolfman & George Perez.
Post edited July 28, 2013 by assassin33
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Elmofongo: ...
If money is a factor skip Y, I'd narrow down my recommendation to Sandman for a great and surreal story, Fables also for it's story of fable characters in exile and considering the movies you listed, Preacher as a dark humored and violent comic book.
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DodoGeo: If money is a factor skip Y, I'd narrow down my recommendation to Sandman for a great and surreal story, Fables also for it's story of fable characters in exile and considering the movies you listed, Preacher as a dark humored and violent comic book.
Its not so much money as it is I am worried I get dissipointed with the story later on because of the possible sexual innuendos.

But I just read the first comic book and I am intregued to see more. Besides its only 60 comics compared to the big DC comics that spans 100s-500s.