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DukeNukemForever: I wouldn't be surprised if the same will also happen especially for eBooks in the near future.
That seems really hard to do; scanning in an entire book is a heck of a pain in the bum. I will be a sad panda if that ever happens, though, because I just donated 2000 books to charity last weekend. :P
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mrking58: Erm have you seen the music industry lately? It is very stale
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keeveek: Yeah, I'm pretty sure Lady Gaga, Jay Z, Beyonce, Shakira and all that starlets earn so little lately they can't even afford a new villa.

Music industry as a whole earns less though. Mostly because of new means of distributing music (you don't have to buy the whole album), and how shitty today's music is.
Many people with contracts from the music industry work in essence for a minimum wage, because the music industry force them into bad contracts.

Furthermore today's music is better than ever, it is your god damn own fault if you are unable to find good music under that huge dog pile that the music industry likes to market.
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keeveek: Well, we were talking about the industry, not about indie underground pay what you want garage pink floyd wannabes.
I do get some music from bandcamp.com admittedly there is a lot of rubbish, taste dependent, but an odd gem. I guess the problem is finding the gems. I tend to if I find a new band that sounds good, look and see if they have music there. I like CD quality and bandcamp has lossless

I think your problem with stale music (I think I saw you state that in an earlier post) is that the same bands are being promoted because the companies know they can recoup their costs but they don't want to take risks with many new bands, they might still put out runs of their CDs but without the advertising behind them.

Good music is out there, just not exposed as well as it may have been in years past.
Post edited June 26, 2013 by deonast
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Crosmando: I think piracy is a very important and necessary pressure consumers (gamers) can exert on developers and publishers. Because it means that always we have the ability to simply go to TPB or wherever and download a game. It might be controversial to say, but this pressures the developers and publishers of these games to actually PROVE to us gamers that the product is worthwhile to support by buying. The consumer can pirate the game, but by making a game that's good enough that the gamer WANTS to pay for an official, legal copy, so that the developer can make more good games.
Ah I almost thought you meant download and play the game for free. But you meant try before you buy (I hope), but that is what demo versions are for. So if the developer allows a demo there is no need to pirate. If you intend to pirate the whole game and play it what is the incentive to the average user to end up paying for it as a hell of a lot of people don't have the moral compass that says if the developer doesn't get anything from this they may go broke, not make any more and can't feed their children.

I honestly don't think there are enough honest people out there to pay for a good game after downloading it. But I guess I must be wrong or there would be no developers working now and I hate DRM so I hope that isn't the reason.
I'm impressed how many of you people don't grasp that I don't see indie music as a part of industry. I see them as an opposition to the music industry.

You maybe just don't understand the meaning behind the word industry in general, dunno.
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DukeNukemForever: I wouldn't be surprised if the same will also happen especially for eBooks in the near future.
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TheEnigmaticT: That seems really hard to do; scanning in an entire book is a heck of a pain in the bum. I will be a sad panda if that ever happens, though, because I just donated 2000 books to charity last weekend. :P
I meant that maybe someday you get for every physical book also the digital version for free and big shops like Barnes & Nobles or Amazon will check what books you bought from them and add these to your digital library for the purpose of customer retention and to promote their digital shops. To scan all your books yourself is of course a horror show, especially if you hopefully don't want to dismantle them. In case of amazons Auto-Rip it's not relevant if you still own your cd, so if they really start the same for eBooks or other media maybe someday many of them will come back to you out of nowhere ;-)
Post edited June 26, 2013 by DukeNukemForever
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keeveek: I'm impressed how many of you people don't grasp that I don't see indie music as a part of industry. I see them as an opposition to the music industry.

You maybe just don't understand the meaning behind the word industry in general, dunno.
I pretty much doubt the majority of PB users make that distinction before downloading....
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keeveek: I'm impressed how many of you people don't grasp that I don't see indie music as a part of industry. I see them as an opposition to the music industry.

You maybe just don't understand the meaning behind the word industry in general, dunno.
The question is what is indie music, used to stand for independent but these days I hear the word indie used on small bands that are tied to a record label so go figure.
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deonast: I got back into Vinyl for a few years, bought a new turn table, acrylic platter, ortofon stylus etc and yet at the end of the day found too many of the new vinyl releases had issues, pops crackles just bad pressings. When you spend a decent amount on an album you want it to sound good. I'm back to CD now or lossless FLAC when I can buy them. If a band / studio doesn't offer me those options (I'm looking at you itunes) then they don't get my business.

I have boxes of CDs I've ripped to FLAC for lossless playback and it would be great to clear the space but at the end of the day I wouldn't feel right selling off the discs and yet keeping the digital copies. Morally I shouldn't keep my rip if I give the disc to someone else or I'm potentially losing a sale of that music at a later stage with (even a miniscule amount going back to artists and a bit more to the companies that spend marketing dollars to get your attention to them in the first place).

I do use pirate bay, but only on the idea of try before I buy. If i like it I buy it, if I don't I delete the torrent, that is how I moralise the dodgy practice.
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nijuu: I have a good number of CD's and do buy stuff legally as well.But digital copies really outnumber what i have bought. Cant justify buying new music - terrible to my ears in most cases
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deonast: hold on, so if the new music is terrible in most cases how come from what you say you have digital copies that out number what you have bought. If you haven't bought it and don't like it why keep it?
Most the music i have physical or otherwise is 80's 90's older music. I also have a huge backlog of music ive never listened to, and when i do get the chance to, i usually delete once ive heard the music :D
Is that site safe? Someone told me the site is infested with viruses, so im kinda scared to go there.
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Heretic777: Is that site safe? Someone told me the site is infested with viruses, so im kinda scared to go there.
Pirate Bay is infested with viruses, just like the whole web. Just like with every other site, check the reviews, scan everything with antivirus and spyware checker, etc. If you know what you're careful, you won't have huge issues.

On the other hand, you could just avoid it by not pirating. Honestly, I find pirating to be more hassle than it's worth most of the time.
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HGiles: Pirate Bay is infested with viruses, just like the whole web. Just like with every other site, check the reviews, scan everything with antivirus and spyware checker, etc. If you know what you're careful, you won't have huge issues.

On the other hand, you could just avoid it by not pirating. Honestly, I find pirating to be more hassle than it's worth most of the time.
Well, if you want to be precise, the site itself is free of viruses, but you do run the risk of getting a few from the stuff you download from there, which won't be hosted by TPB. I download from there so infrequently (usually unofficial fixes for games, probably once every year) that I've never really had a problem, but you should definitely use antivirus, as you say.
Looks like Australians are going to have to pirate Saints Row IV because it was refused classification. Seems murder is OK, but drug use isn't!
Only thing infected with viruses is your brains.
Don't click the porn banner and you won't get viruses LOL
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Dzsono: Looks like Australians are going to have to pirate Saints Row IV because it was refused classification. Seems murder is OK, but drug use isn't!
They banned it not because drugs, but because:

"The game includes a weapon referred to by the Applicant as an 'Alien Anal Probe'. The Applicant states that this weapon can be 'shoved into enemy's backsides'. The lower half of the weapon resembles a sword hilt and the upper part contains prong-like appendages which circle around what appears to be a large dildo which runs down the centre of the weapon.
"When using this weapon the player approaches a (clothed) victim from behind and thrusts the weapon between the victim's legs and then lifts them off the ground before pulling a trigger which launches the victim into the air. After the probe has been implicitly inserted into the victim's anus the area around their buttocks becomes pixelated highlighting that the aim of the weapon is to penetrate the victim's anus.
"The weapon can be used during gameplay on enemy characters or civilians. In the Board's opinion, a weapon designed to penetrate the anus of enemy characters and civilians constitutes a visual depiction of implied sexual violence that is interactive and not justified by context and as such the game should be Refused Classification."

It is official statement. :D