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keeveek: I laughed. Marriages existed long before your God decided to present himself as a flaming bush.
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Nomorefun: How is this response mature or constructive? You're just flaming him at this point.
It's backwards belief...for one.
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keeveek: I laughed. Marriages existed long before your God decided to present himself as a flaming bush.
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Nomorefun: How is this response mature or constructive? You're just flaming him at this point.
You are correct - It actually did - God presented himself to Moses out of a burning bush in Exodus Chapter three - He established Marriage with Adam and Eve in Genesis Chapters One and Two thousands of years earlier.
May I remind that other religions also have unions between people, not dictated by your God, that the english language also calls marriage?

What I want to say is, the meaning of marriage is a matter of english language, not religion - which is why I see no problem in calling civil unions "marriage". This word already has a broader meaning anyway.
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hedwards: I didn't say polygamy was or was not harmful, though my joke about more women being torture could probably construed as such by the chronically humorless (NOT saying that's you). My comment about harm pertained to how those who oppose gay marriage are saying that it's harmful to society, and then I said that the homosexuals can't screw it up any worse than the heterosexuals do, which, incidentally, would include the polygamists and the FLDS folks.
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HereForTheBeer:
My bad, I misread your intent.

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HereForTheBeer: But either way, it's good to see that there will be some equal legal /civil / familial rights handed to those NY couples who are already married in all but name.
I can't argue with that. Seems silly to restrict civil marriage beyond just pairs of consenting adults.
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Nomorefun: How is this response mature or constructive? You're just flaming him at this point.
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Lou: You are correct - It actually did - God presented himself to Moses out of a burning bush in Exodus Chapter three - He established Marriage with Adam and Eve in Genesis Chapters One and Two thousands of years earlier.
I take it you're then in favor of getting government the hell out of marriage.
Post edited June 26, 2011 by hedwards
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hedwards: I take it you're then in favor of getting government the hell out of marriage.
This might be the best possible solution to the whole issue. Civil unions for all (straight or homosexual), and people can feel free to call it marriage or whatever else they want. If, as religious people claim, marriage is a sacred religious thing then the government really should be out of the business completely.

Sadly, there's absolutely no chance it will happen, which is a shame because it solves the problem perfectly for everyone.
Maybe the legalizing of gay marriages will open the door for the next hot-button issue:

Adoption by gay married couples. Think about it: instead of creating more kids we could place the ones we have now into (possibly) loving homes that might feature two moms or dads.

And for those of you who are afraid of kids becoming gay by exposure to some gaydiation rays or something: I highly doubt that homosexuality is contagious like the common cold.
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JudasIscariot: Maybe the legalizing of gay marriages will open the door for the next hot-button issue:

Adoption by gay married couples. Think about it: instead of creating more kids we could place the ones we have now into (possibly) loving homes that might feature two moms or dads.

And for those of you who are afraid of kids becoming gay by exposure to some gaydiation rays or something: I highly doubt that homosexuality is contagious like the common cold.
gaydiation rays? ha!

Anyway the problem with adoption is most unadopted kids are less desirable for some reason (physical or metal disabilities, problem behavior, too old, etc) or are a racial minority (which, sadly, makes people significantly less likely to adopt him/her).

Healthy white babies have absolutely no problem getting adopted - in fact there's a waiting list. Unless homosexuals couples are significantly more likely to adopt the less desirable children then it won't really make any big difference in the end.

Edit: this is in the US of course, I just noticed you are in Poland. I have no idea what the situation is in other countries.
Post edited June 26, 2011 by Mr.Spatula
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Dragobr: And it's not like anyone wants to force churches to marry gay couples.
I am completely confidant some people do, and that it will gain a notable movement. Many churches are orchestrating their own oppression by promoting marriage as an issue wherein the government should dictate God's will as law. God's will might not change, but people's perception of it is always in flux.

That is the price paid for mixing religion and politics. Everyone's heads end up rolling, just not all at the same time.
Too much stupid in this thread. I'm out.
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JudasIscariot: Maybe the legalizing of gay marriages will open the door for the next hot-button issue:

Adoption by gay married couples. Think about it: instead of creating more kids we could place the ones we have now into (possibly) loving homes that might feature two moms or dads.

And for those of you who are afraid of kids becoming gay by exposure to some gaydiation rays or something: I highly doubt that homosexuality is contagious like the common cold.
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Mr.Spatula: gaydiation rays? ha!
SNIP
Well, how else do you expect gaydar to work?
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hedwards: Well, how else do you expect gaydar to work?
Mine is exceptional. :)
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Mr.Spatula: Anyway the problem with adoption is most unadopted kids are less desirable for some reason (physical or metal disabilities, problem behavior, too old, etc) or are a racial minority (which, sadly, makes people significantly less likely to adopt him/her).

Healthy white babies have absolutely no problem getting adopted - in fact there's a waiting list. Unless homosexuals couples are significantly more likely to adopt the less desirable children then it won't really make any big difference in the end.

Edit: this is in the US of course, I just noticed you are in Poland. I have no idea what the situation is in other countries.
I'm pretty sure they will be more likely to adopt the "unwanted" children.

Most heterosexual couples that wants to adopt are on the richer side (generally Caucasian, the world is not equal) and got something that hinders them from getting their own. That simply results in that they want a child as a replacement for the one the biologically should have been able to get and therefore they want a child that looks like them, white and healthy. That way society, strangers and even the child itself will think that it is biologically theirs.

A homosexual couple won't ever be able to camouflage themselves as a family like that and therefore they are not as bound to an "genetically fitting" pool as the hetero couples are.
see now ppl are bugging cause NYC is the capital of the world...SWEET : D
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Dragobr: Am I the only one who doesn't think marriage (well, civil unions, actually) should even be limited to two people?

What if more people than just a couple want to make a legal family? Think not only about religious polygamy, but also about polyamory. What if there's a group of people who wish to be married so that, should one of them die, their property gets divided between the members of that group, for example?

Sure, the law would have to be very flexible, and I can see problems emerging from that, but from the principle of personal freedom, I think it all should be allowed.
Nope. I am now on year 5 of a very successful triad with my husband and my wife. Unfortunately, not only can we not get married, our relationship is illegal in Canada. Now if I were cheating on my wife, I would be in the clear legally. but since she knows about it and even participates, we're breaking the law. Crazy world.

And be sure to note that not all poly is a man with multiple wives just because that's all the sensationalist media ever likes to talk about. I am male and in a relationship wth a man and a woman, who both love each other. We're actually not terribly uncommon in the poly community either. It's funny though, because the Canadian government has gone as far as saying that our type of relationship does not exist during recent hearings about the constitutionality of illegal polygamy.
Post edited June 26, 2011 by jeffreydean1
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keeveek: I agree that economy should be the first thing to fix. But I think it's impossible to do in U.S. with Obama as president.

Ron Paul anyone? :P
Hell yes! And lets audit the bloody Fed for godssake. Since there's not a dime's bit of difference between Bush and Barry, we're not going to find real change in either Republicrat party.