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Portal 2 isn't a damn adventure, who the heck compiled this "list"....
I never take such lists very seriously. I always convert them into "Top [insert number here] [insert genre here] games of all time in my opinion and in no particular order" to make them easier to digest.

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KingofGnG: Portal 2 isn't a damn adventure, who the heck compiled this "list"....
I believe it was compiled by Adventure Games. I make such an assumption based on the first sentence in the opening post.
Post edited January 06, 2012 by AlKim
Looks like at least a few of those entries are in there just because they're popular. Namely Portal 1&2 and the Myst games.
Portal 2 adventure? Hm.. no.
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AlKim: I believe it was compiled by Adventure Games. I make such an assumption based on the first sentence in the opening post.
Well, this "Adventure Games" guy is an idiot, then, so to speak :-P
Grim Fandango is a great game. Though it is easy to get lost at the very beginning part, the story telling is wonderful. Unfortunately I lost my savegame due to a bug (got lock in some geometry) and did not finish it, and now I can't even find the game any more after losing my original one.
They place Myst, Riven, Portal 2, Zork Grand Inquisitor & Machinarium above Beneath A Steel Sky? HERESY! And Still Life just beneath it? These guys are total idiots. The Neverhood doesn't deserve to BE in the top 100 even, Full Throttle should be way higher, Portal has no place in there, Sam & Max are too low, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly, what chimps made this list?
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Red_Avatar: They place Myst, Riven, Portal 2, Zork Grand Inquisitor & Machinarium above Beneath A Steel Sky? HERESY! And Still Life just beneath it? These guys are total idiots. The Neverhood doesn't deserve to BE in the top 100 even, Full Throttle should be way higher, Portal has no place in there, Sam & Max are too low, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly, what chimps made this list?
I disagree a lot with what you said, especially about the Neverhood. Were you expecting them to make a list of your personal top 100? Because I think they were trying to make their personal top 100.
Well, the titles on the list and their position in relation to each other do show that the composers have a good eye for recognizing classics and noticing the differences in levels of quality for a lot of the games.

But they don't seem to be fully able to define the genre. I mean, Portal 2 shouldn't be on there, Professor Layton shouldn't be on there, Alone in the Dark is way too low (as in: not in there) and -- admittedly an adventure, but a personal pet peeve -- The Longest Journey is way too high (as in: in the list).
Post edited January 06, 2012 by Zjeraar
I'm glad to see Day of the Tentacle being recognized there being pretty high on the list, but the omission of all Goblins titles surprised me a bit. Still, it's a handy list as I was wondering what I should play next and there are a couple titles on there that I already had in mind.
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Red_Avatar: They place Myst, Riven, Portal 2, Zork Grand Inquisitor & Machinarium above Beneath A Steel Sky? HERESY! And Still Life just beneath it? These guys are total idiots. The Neverhood doesn't deserve to BE in the top 100 even, Full Throttle should be way higher, Portal has no place in there, Sam & Max are too low, etc. etc. etc.

Honestly, what chimps made this list?
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da187jimmbones: I disagree a lot with what you said, especially about the Neverhood. Were you expecting them to make a list of your personal top 100? Because I think they were trying to make their personal top 100.
Disagree all you want but Neverhood was horrible - I'd quote the entire PC Gamer review but there should be no need. It's not because the cute plasticine figures make you go "ooo" that there's actually a good game behind it. It's a good example of people liking it because of a style over function. As an adventure game it's pretty crappy.

Of course, if you think Myst & Riven are great adventure games, that would explain why you'd like Neverhood - both Myst & Riven are another two examples of games where it's style over function - and Portal 1&2 aren't adventure games full stop.
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acard87: Even though I am a Monkey Island fan I have to say that Grim Fandango's first position is well deserved, I remember playing it some years ago and I was impressed with its style and humor. Sadly I wasn't able to complete the game due to a problem on my computer, I should start it again one of these days.

Happy to see The Longest Journey so highly ranked, I have it on GOG and I think it will be one of the next games I'll play!
Grim Fandango is a great game but it gets negative marks for the shitty console controls that made me run like a pinball, bouncing off surfaces - not to mention you could only look at items when you're close and have to use a key to turn your head to another item - it's all too fiddly and it always left a sour taste in my mouth. There were many ways to improve this but they decided not to and for that, Grim could never be the best adventure game for me. Especially when you got stuck, it was extremely painful to have to deal with the shitty controls.
Post edited January 07, 2012 by Red_Avatar
Again, it seems they wanted to catch everything that is connected to the genre - console games, point & click, puzzle , first person, etc. It's better to see that list not as top100 adventure games, it's more a best-of of their own catalog. Like everything ranks are disputable, but they are very good as a starting point for discussions.
Jesus, that's a lot of complaining about some other people's favourite 'adventure' games.Tbh it would be hard for me to even remember 100 games in this genre, let alone decide which should be 12th rather than 13th, etc. etc.
Just to add what the authors said (since I think not everybody bothers to actually click the link):
What constitutes “the best”? How do you compare games spanning decades of styles and technology? Is a now-antiquated genre pioneer from 1985 still a classic today? Does it need to be? Do new games have any right to stand alongside their forebears that paved the way and have stood the test of time? What’s really important? Longevity, innovation, production values, historical relevance? What’s more crucial? Story, exploration, puzzles?

The answer is: all of the above – or none! There’s no scientific formula. It’s a combination of factors that depends entirely on the context for each individual game. You can debate each choice, each placement, and we hope you will! The beauty of opinion lists is that there’s no right or wrong, and we argued long and hard among ourselves just to arrive at ours. Sometimes we even contradicted the site's own reviews. But we’re completely confident that our final selections are deserving candidates and a wonderfully diverse representation of the genre’s best to date. Not every game will suit every taste, but there’s plenty of must-play gaming for all in our top 100 all-time adventure games.
And:
Whew! A hundred games. And we bet some of your favourites didn’t even make the list. Ours too!

The plan is to revisit the Top 100 each year, adding new games, removing older ones, and shuffling the existing order as necessary. It shouldn’t change too much year to year – these games are on it now for a reason! – but we’ll do our best to keep the list current from now on. Think we missed an unheralded gem? Let us know! But this Adventure Gamers’ Top 100 All-Time Adventures list for 2011.
Also, should be noted, DukeNukemForever was first (I think)!
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Red_Avatar: Grim Fandango is a great game but it gets negative marks for the shitty console controls that made me run like a pinball, bouncing off surfaces - not to mention you could only look at items when you're close and have to use a key to turn your head to another item - it's all too fiddly and it always left a sour taste in my mouth. There were many ways to improve this but they decided not to and for that, Grim could never be the best adventure game for me. Especially when you got stuck, it was extremely painful to have to deal with the shitty controls.
You're right on the controls, they were a little tricky, but I didn't have any particular problem with them, so I can't complain.

A remark I have on the list is the position of I have no mouth and I must scream, a game that I found beautiful and would have placed way higher, but then again I didn't play most of the games on the list, so I don't really know if they're worthy of their position.