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rampancy: With all due respect, I think you're being a little silly here. Believe it or not, "ass" is a word which is still controversial and/or offensive. It may not be for you, or for the country/culture you live in, but it sure is for others. Yes, it has benign meanings and connotations too - of course it does. But we've seen nothing but common sense from the people at GOG when it's come to handling this. I think they're clever enough to understand the distinction between the different meanings of the word "ass". Given that they didn't apply some massive site-wide filter and just changed the thread title, I think they struck a good balance between keeping the forums appropriately sanitized and "censorship".
And there are games on this site that are still controversial and/or offensive (like the ones I mentioned in the OP). You're arguing for their removal or censorship too!

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rampancy: And really, if you want to go to one extreme, how about another - would you want to see the GOG forums get turned into XBox Live?
We were at that other extreme.. and it didn't.

EDIT: May have misunderstood the last part. I've never used XBox Live so I don't know what it is like. Sorry.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by xyem
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xyem: And there are games on this site that are still controversial and/or offensive (like the ones I mentioned in the OP). You're arguing for their removal or censorship too!
I recall that The Witcher 2 can't be sold to a minor from this site, not sure about the "controversial" games you mention. Does this mean that TW2 is censored too, since people are prevented from obtaining it?

And I stand by my point, the change was a personal call from an over-eager new employee after-hours. So, the employer can either flat out say "We agree with what our employee has done" and alienate the fanbase, say "We disagree with what our employee has done", revert the change and leave a bad mark on the employee's record, or just ignore the situation and let it diffuse itself.

Since you are unwilling to let the situation diffuse (you god damn terrorist!), do you want GOG.com to alienate the fanbase, or do you want them to "discipline" the employee?
i am an adult. i swear all the time.

gog removing the word ass from that post was a dick move.

i agree with this topic. its the shit.
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JMich: Since you are unwilling to let the situation diffuse (you god damn terrorist!), do you want GOG.com to alienate the fanbase, or do you want them to "discipline" the employee?
False dichotomy.

It's perfectly possible for them to agree with what he did, not punish him in any way and revert the topic title.

In fact, it would be perfectly in line with their claim of Customer Love. There are customers who are indifferent, customers who are against... where are the customers who are specifically for it? rampancy and.. ?
I thought the OP of that thread just felt like being wordy when saying ass, I had no idea the thread title was actually changed...

At the very least, leave a note when something is moderated? Sneaky moderations are a bit mean and underhanded :(
For anyone using the "it might be offensive" argument. I direct you.. to the terms of use.
GOG attempts to be as accurate as possible but it does not warrant that any information on the Service is accurate, complete, reliable, current, or error-free. GOG reserves the right to add, modify, or delete any information at any time. You agree to use the Service at your sole risk and that GOG shall have no liability to you for content that may be found to be offensive, indecent, or objectionable.
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JMich: Since you are unwilling to let the situation diffuse (you god damn terrorist!), do you want GOG.com to alienate the fanbase, or do you want them to "discipline" the employee?
The latter. Duh.
While I'm fairly certain Judas is a nice guy, I would much rather prefer if he reverted the thread's name and apologized... than force T into awkwardly trying to defend his call (despite finding it overzealous anyway).
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xyem: And there are games on this site that are still controversial and/or offensive (like the ones I mentioned in the OP). You're arguing for their removal or censorship too!
Please don't put words in my mouth. Games like BloodRayne and The Witcher carry the appropriate ratings and advisories to prevent them being purchased under inappropriate circumstances.

I don't disagree with the basic spirit of what you're fighting for. I agree with it completely. But screaming bloody murder over one word on a forum that's been remarkably laissez-faire about moderation, acting as if they're going to start breaking out the jackboots and brownshirts isn't reasonable. It's just like the alarmists and whiners who screamed that GOG was going to charge full price for the EA expansions (and therefore was totally, irredeemably evil) just because they sold the base games alone.

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xyem: EDIT: May have misunderstood the last part. I've never used XBox Live so I don't know what it is like. Sorry.
The point I was trying to make was that if there was absolutely zero degrees of oversight or supervision whatsoever, the other extreme is what we see on Xbox Live, where you're totally free to say words like ass...as well as other words too.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by rampancy
thier house, thier rules.

pretty simple.


sorry you feel slighted. ironic how you used to think they kicked ass.
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xyem: It's perfectly possible for them to agree with what he did, not punish him in any way and revert the topic title.

In fact, it would be perfectly in line with their claim of Customer Love. There are customers who are indifferent, customers who are against... where are the customers who are specifically for it? rampancy and.. ?
This is what TET said in that thread. He wouldn't have done the change. So the change was done by Judas. Reverting a change done by a new employee does send the signal "You don't know what you are doing".
So far then, the point does seem to be moot. Is the word ASS in a title so much of a hussle that you just have to see it? Or is it the fact that a title was changed?
What if the title said "Check out my new vid niggas!". Would you still object to a change of "Check out my new vid homies!", since that is also censorship.

So, I'll ask again, should GOG.com say "We agree that changing the word ass to gluteus maximus was a thing that had to be done", or should they say "Our employee made an error in judgement?", thus dispiriting the employee (by public disciplinary action).
I do believe that Judas did get an earful, but that would have been a private matter, and not something for the forum.
So I'll call out HYPOCRISY on you xyem.
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xyem: My issue isn't with JudasIscariot, at all.
Reverting the change done by someone is a blow to that someone's authority, no matter how much or how little authority he has.
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Vestin: The latter. Duh.
Actually, this is what they did, read the first quote
Post edited May 30, 2012 by JMich
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SapienChavez: thier
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SapienChavez: rules
Sure - they can ignore us but we might as well ignore them. In the end - mutual respect is not only nice - it's rational.
Humm. I actually thought that the OP was made tongue-in-cheek, it simply didn't occur to me that someone would actively campaign for the use of swear words on GOG. I can see the reasoning behind it, but even then I don't understand why someone would care so much about being allowed to put swear words in thread titles to actually make a thread about it.

Anyway, in case this actually _is_ a serious request, I would like to state that:

1. I don't support it.

2. I would prefer swear words to not appear on GOG at all, but since that probably can't be achieved, I'm happy with at least removing them from topic lines.

3. "Ass" is a word that is not part of my active vocabulary and probably never will be.

4. This (my) post already contains more words than the whole matter is worth, imho.
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Vestin: Sure - they can ignore us but we might as well ignore them. In the end - mutual respect is not only nice - it's rational.
Yes. Rules are simple - if you don't like GOG policy, you are free to go.

It's just like it would be in my house. If I don't like word ass being used in my home, I give you two options:

1) stop using it
2) leave my property

This is how it works. Demanding from GOG to change their (liberal as nowhere on the planet) policy is ABSURD.

Oh my god, this forums are going to shit lately.
Post edited May 30, 2012 by keeveek
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keeveek: Oh my god, this forums are going to shit lately.
Not to go off-topic, but it goes without saying that it comes with the territory of GOG "going mainstream". I think the majority of us who'd been here since before the blackout saw this coming. :/
Then, wouldn't it be OK if Judas himself changed it back?
Post edited May 30, 2012 by Licurg