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Delixe: I was the same as you until Raven games were lazy enough to make Marvel: Ultimate Alliance. Terrible controls on KB&M and no support for any joypad other than the Xbox360 one. So I bought one. I never looked back. TBH PC gamers seem to hate it because it's called the Xbox360 controller. I often wonder if the Xbox360 didn't exist would it be heralded as the best PC controller of all time? I think yes. Either way it's a very worthwile investment because some games like Street Fighter IV, Prototype and Assassins Creed are just better with one. Hell I played The Witcher 2 with one and I would never go back to KM&B because The Witcher 2 plays so much better with a pad.
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Coelocanth: I've nothing against consoles, as I noted earlier. I just like using a KB&M. I'm completely comfortable with it. Meh, it's no big deal. I'll just pass on games that pretty much require a controller. Hell, I have enough of a back log and enough new games coming out to keep me more than occupied. Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a big debate.
You just honest about opiniun, I have that with first person shooters that i like more with mouse and keyboard no controller is that accurate.
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Coelocanth: I've nothing against consoles, as I noted earlier. I just like using a KB&M. I'm completely comfortable with it. Meh, it's no big deal. I'll just pass on games that pretty much require a controller. Hell, I have enough of a back log and enough new games coming out to keep me more than occupied. Sorry, didn't mean to turn this into a big debate.
I don't own a console and I don't want one. Well current gen anyway. But honestly the 360 controller is great on the PC. Like I said there are just some games that don't work on a KB&M but if those are the games you don't want to play then I guess that's fair enough.
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Delixe: Hercufles reminded me Diablo was released on the Playstation. I played it. It was ok. Inventroy was clunky but it worked. Hell there is a nicely working profile for Xpadder for Dragon Age 2.
Yeah, but would I even want to complete it playing it like that? No. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's enjoyable. It's especially damaging to the experience to have vastly superior I/O options sat here on the desk in front of me.
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Navagon: But no, there's no way I'd have played a game of that nature with a controller anywhere near as much as I did with K&M. If nothing else the inventory would have sucked too hard.
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Delixe: Hercufles reminded me Diablo was released on the Playstation. I played it. It was ok. Inventroy was clunky but it worked. Hell there is a nicely working profile for Xpadder for Dragon Age 2.
Yeah a friend of mine had it and played with his brother on splitscreen didnt like the fact sharing a screen with 2 people. It was very cluncky but to be honest it made me cynical when i heard diablo 3 will release on the ps 3.
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StingingVelvet: I am so tired of this silly statement. Controllers have been part of PC gaming since before mice were.
I like mice better than any input method I have ever seen. I am pretty sure I have always had a mouse with my PC, going back to the mid to late 80s (I think I got my first 286 around then), so I am uncertain what other 'controllers' you are talking about. Joystick? Yeah, never liked them, at least not for a PC game; not even for flight sims.

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Nobody will probably care, but I'll correct anyway. On reflection, I probably didn't have a mouse until I got my 386 and installed Windows on it. I don't know a reason why I would have had a mouse until Windows came out in 1992. Maybe I had a joystick and played games with that on the 286? I don't think I did. I think most, if not all, the non-mouse PC games I would have played would have been keyboard only; I had an Atari 5200 for arcade-type joystick games. Honestly, anything prior to 1990 is at or before my adolescence; those years are foggy for me at best :P.

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Delixe: Lets be honest though. Would Diablo II be any worse with joypad controls? I doubt it.
Yes, in my opinion. If you played online, you had to be fast to target loot in Co-op and even faster to target other players in PvP. My mouse sensitivity has always been turned up to eleven, thus I was very quick and very accurate; thumbsticks seems slow and inaccurate to me by comparison.

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Just remembered that attacking in Diablo 2 was directional, not positional (for the most part, at least). So, for that it might not matter a huge deal. I played a Sorceress in Diablo 2 mostly though, and precision teleporting was my main PvP method. Not sure how that would work with with any gamepad.

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I dunno, it is all preference, and arguing about it is silly. I use a controller with my PS3, but when I play a PC game, I want keyboard and mouse control options.
Post edited June 18, 2011 by Krypsyn
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Navagon: Yeah, but would I even want to complete it playing it like that? No. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's enjoyable. It's especially damaging to the experience to have vastly superior I/O options sat here on the desk in front of me.
You can blame Laidlaw's 'innovations' for that. I mapped attack nearest target to a mouse button and the game became so easy it was cookie cutting. No wonder it works on a joypad.
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Krypsyn: I like mice better than any input method I have ever seen. I am pretty sure I have always had a mouse with my PC, going back to the mid to late 80s (I think I got my first 286 around then), so I am uncertain what other 'controllers' you are talking about. Joystick? Yeah, never liked them, at least not for a PC game; not even for flight sims.
Good luck playing Kung Fu Master, R-Type or Speedball 2 with a keyboard.
Post edited June 18, 2011 by Delixe
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Coelocanth: I was actually debating whether or not to make my original comment due to this. It's not so much the "I'll never use a controller because I'm a PC gamer" attitude as it is an "I've always used a KB&M and don't want to learn to use a controller" (and don't want to go out and buy one) attitude.
I think you could surprise yourself, the whole "I can't handle learning it" thing sounds so defeatist. I remember the first time I played with a dual-analog controller I was like "what is this garbage!" but I have gotten used to it over the years.

In any event, obviously you can only use what is comfortable for you. If the KBM controls are improved in the final game I will let you know.
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Navagon: Yeah, but would I even want to complete it playing it like that? No. The fact that it's possible doesn't mean it's enjoyable. It's especially damaging to the experience to have vastly superior I/O options sat here on the desk in front of me.
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Delixe: You can blame Laidlaw's 'innovations' for that. I mapped attack nearest target to a mouse button and the game became so easy it was cookie cutting. No wonder it works on a joypad.
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Krypsyn: I like mice better than any input method I have ever seen. I am pretty sure I have always had a mouse with my PC, going back to the mid to late 80s (I think I got my first 286 around then), so I am uncertain what other 'controllers' you are talking about. Joystick? Yeah, never liked them, at least not for a PC game; not even for flight sims.
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Delixe: Good luck playing Kung Fu Master, R-Type or Speedball 2 with a keyboard.
speedball 2 yeah that was a game you rather play with controller.
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Delixe: Good luck playing Kung Fu Master, R-Type or Speedball 2 with a keyboard.
I don't even know what those games are :P. Are they fighting games or side scrollers? Those are the only two genres where game pad might be noticably better. I am not a fan of those genres.

Like I said, it is a preference thing. Generally speaking, there is no game type that I like to play which isn't at least equal to a gamepad when played on a keyboard and mouse. Even Gothic, with it's shit controls, I would rather play with a keyboard and mouse.

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Ahh, Speedball 2 is a sports game. Yeah, I don't like those either, heh.
Post edited June 18, 2011 by Krypsyn
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Delixe: You can blame Laidlaw's 'innovations' for that. I mapped attack nearest target to a mouse button and the game became so easy it was cookie cutting. No wonder it works on a joypad.
Yeah, I'm not touching that game with a bargepole. ARPGs aren't known for their deep and complex combat, but it seems just about every aspect of that game follows the same principal.
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Delixe: Good luck playing Kung Fu Master, R-Type or Speedball 2 with a keyboard.
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Krypsyn: I don't even know what those games are :P. Are they fighting games or side scrollers? Those are the only two genres where game pad might be noticably better. I am not a fan of those genres.

Like I said, it is a preference thing. Generally speaking, there is no game type that I like to play which isn't at least equal to a gamepad when played on a keyboard and mouse. Even Gothic, with it's shit controls, I would rather play with a keyboard and mouse.
r type is a side scrolling shooter and speedball 2 is a sport with an iron ball where you score points by throwing it in your opponents hole. And you could get extra points if you did other things like smashing your opponents ect.
What the hell happened to Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale? Are they just forgotten gems now? And the console cousin, Dark Alliance? Yes it wasn't the deepest of games, but one of the best ARPG games I've ever played.
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CrashToOverride: What the hell happened to Baldur's Gate and Icewind Dale? Are they just forgotten gems now? And the console cousin, Dark Alliance? Yes it wasn't the deepest of games, but one of the best ARPG games I've ever played.
Died with the company i think
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Krypsyn: Like I said, it is a preference thing. Generally speaking, there is no game type that I like to play which isn't at least equal to a gamepad when played on a keyboard and mouse. Even Gothic, with it's shit controls, I would rather play with a keyboard and mouse.
Well ok then something closer to home. TIE Figher on a KB&M or Wing Commander Privateer.
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Delixe: Good luck playing Kung Fu Master, R-Type or Speedball 2 with a keyboard.
Speedball 2 was fine with a keyboard. That was way back when controllers for the PC really weren't so commonplace, and I kicked Super Nashwan's ass fine without.
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Delixe: Well ok then something closer to home. TIE Figher on a KB&M or Wing Commander Privateer.
Tie fighter as well.
Post edited June 18, 2011 by wpegg