Eh fair enough. I think you inadvertently missed the question there (or sidestepped it) but I can work with that. I think we were thinking along the same lines for a bit back there.

While we're mudding nmillar, #247 is an example of said scumminess, paraphrased it becomes, "Hey, it could be inexperienced Mafia, or of course it could be everyone else," which tells us nothing of his views.

But honestly I think the lynchwagon voting is mostly a nulltell because of how late in the day it was, though. But for reference, this was the order of the final votes on fexen:
TWilightBard (207), Robb (209), Vitek (220), Orryyrro (227), Rodzaju (235), ViolatorX (236), nmillar (237)

with my vote+unvote coming earlier around 200. Scum on the wagon? Definitely. Positions and how many? Hard to say due to the time crunch. (Deadline was 24 May, 9am GMT, lynch was done 23 May, 5pm GMT)

@Baz - Would you please mind listing the votes in order of vote placed or would it not be possible using the system you're using to keep track of the votes? It really helps with seeing who voted at what position or in what order. Thanks either way!

One very interesting point to note here is when the fexen wagon grew bigger than the Orry wagon. Around the 3-4-5 vote period. I think once his wagon became a viable alternative to Orry's, scum started pushing it to save Orry. Of course this hinges on the fact that Orry is scum. His #227 justification seems awfully scummy to me, as a "sidling onto the wagon" thing, though of course either way he would push an alternative wagon to himself.

@nmillar: Grats on her level!

I actually did ponder that before. The current spreadsheet system I'm using can't do that, but I'll invent another. Better at this point than later.

Happy belated birthday to Nmillarette ;)

The issue that I have with this is that dropping the hammer should never be a casual act without thought.
That's like saying "OK, I did run him over, but I was late for work & didn't have time to watch where I'm driving so it's not really my fault!"

I hold my hands up; that was a mistake on my part and I didn't actually realise I'd hammered him till after I'd posted. Thankfully, he was only a vanilla townie.

Not necessarily,in mafia 3 you defended me quite a bit openly as it drew suspicion from yourself. The mafia obviously wouldn't care who was lynched so long as they were town, if they could push a lynch on the one that seemed to have less suspicion then it's better for them as it dumps suspicion back on me right away.

Hmmmm, how the dice have been rolled. I didn't think Fexen was town, and I REALLY didn't think the mafia would kill Robbeasy

Looking at the lynch, the last three came one after another after another in a row, I think that's kinda suspicious, willing to bet that one of them might be Mafia. I don't think it's a nulltell, I think we're just going to have to look at it pretty closely.

Jess seems to be pushing Orryyrro, but I pushed the same jester question on Taleroth in the first day. I'm just not seeing the suspicions I guess.

Rodzaju was pushing the point Fexen made, and was one of the final three voters, so for now.

Vote Rodzaju

Argh - I keep coming up with mental possibilities and then continually entering the WIFOM argument in my mind as I think them over, and not reaching a conclusion I'm satisfied with about my suspicions. It's devastating to the number of times I actually get a full post together. (All right, that and Terraria.)

I'm slightly confused by Typhoon's move to agree with the logic of the beginners being Mafia one post, then shortly afterwards deciding nmillar is a likely suspect - a player who I am led to believe has been in all 5 GoG Mafia games and would have been able to advise the others on the NK if he were one of the Mafia...

Then again, I have to admit I am all in all currently just plain confused.

I believe this is the "pushing the point..." you mention.
I can not see the promotion here.
Simply exploring the possibility.
In fact, only the first line of the post says anything positive about the idea.

Yeah, I know, I'm grasping at straws, but I can't help but shake the feeling that throwing a vote around might jar some more information, there's nothing to really go on that's solid and we're working on a week deadline. Trying not to dig up the RVS again, but just trying to get something to work with.

The "We had the best of educations" votecount

Orryyrro - 2 - Vitek, jesskitten
nmillar - 1 - Typhoon45
Rodzaju - 1 - TwilightBard

Not voting: Taleroth, ViolatorX, QuadrAlien, Orryyrro, nmillar, Rodzaju

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. It's six and a half days before sunset.

Yesterday, you promised a read on everyone. How about that?

Will try and do so later today. Taking my daughter for a hearing test shortly.

You are lucky I know you have children, otherwise Iwould already voted you fpr making them up to avoid playing. ;-)

I am not moving my vote, as Orryyrro (or others) did nothing so far to make me unvote, but I am also going to watch Typhoon closely.

Unvote nMillar

Fair enough about the kids, I know what it feels like to have more important things to do than troll forums :P

If you could post your reads, then that would be very helpful. It's always good to have a different outlook on behaviour.

Well, this seems to have come straight out of the blue. Any justifications here?

I may throw out possibilities, but I try and focus on the scummy behaviors flying around. On a reread through, I caught this tidbit of information and tried to capitalize on it. Now that it has become less prominent, we can all focus on other things.

Alright, I have made quite a few notes, most of which are pretty meaningless, but from what I've seen so far, the most likely suspects are:

Typhoon45 - claimed that millers are generally not told they are millers, then backtracked hastily when confronted about it. I don't actually believe he is mafia, since he is an experienced player and the night kill of Robbeasy seems to have been a somewhat amateur move.

Taleroth - very aggressive towards Robbeasy after the 'miller' claim, and was a big part of the jester debate. Strangely, I don't think he actually cast a vote for Robbeasy, but joined the bandwagoning of Orryrro instead.

Rodzaju - Another bandwagoner. Voted for Robbeasy in the random voting stage before jumping on the Orryrro bandwagon. When that didn't take off, he jumped back on the Robbeasy bandwagon instead. Also a big part of the jester discussion.

Since we're in Wonderland, Taleroth and Rodzaju could well be Tweedle Dum and Tweedle Dee, but what that means in the grand scheme of things, I have no idea.

At the opposite end of the spectrum, I think QuadrAlien and TwilightBard are most likely town. TwilightBard replaced Nazarush early on, and has spent much of that time analysing and looking for clues (or so it seems). QuadrAlien seems to be taking a similar approach and post 85 seems pretty well thought out.

So to summarise:

Mafia: Taleroth, Rodzaju and possibly Typhoon45.
Town: QuadrAlien, TwilightBard.

Everyone else is somewhere in the middle.