I'll be honest with you. As I typed out this second reason, it seemed a little far-fetched.

Thanks for concentrating on only it and attempting to dismiss my belief of your insubstantial voting reasons, though - it speaks volumes, if you ask me.

Well, I can't really argue that my opinion of fexen was the best formed thing ever, clearly so by the fact that he flipped town.

Indeed nmillar's initial vote on you was RVS, and his #63 tried to solidify the vote into a real one without making too much of a case on you, which was why I was surprised you didn't pick up on it or call it out. Let's look at the post again and your reaction to it:

Paraphrased nmillar-post: On a serious note, I (nmillar) agree with you (jess) about Robb. I think his claim is genuine. For now we could keep him alive and investigate others. My RVS vote is already on Rod, who is voting Robb, so I will quietly leave it there to look like I'm somehow scumhunting, when I offer no new insight, question, point of view, reaction prodding, etc, EVEN THOUGH I had just said for now we should investigate others. And I can pretend it's a real vote now to distance myself from my scumbuddy, while leaving me an "out" for later if his wagon builds, because it was technically my earlier RVS vote.

And what was your response to that post?
So you definitely did read that post. But I had said I didn't suspect you at that point. So while nmillar started out agreeing with me, I'm surprised you didn't comment on nmillar's weak bandwagoning of Robb's vote on you, since our votes and non-suspicions of you definitely did not agree with each other. I mean, unless you knew his true intent behind the vote, right? And wasn't worried about where his loyalties really were.

Yes, perhaps Mafia killed him because he was an unlikely target. That is a fair point - he was probably the least likely person to get protected (though for the main reason that he had lots of suspicion on him), but it still really helped clear out a big cloud for town, so I dunno. It's as likely a vig rather than Mafia actually did it in that situation though according to your theory, so why do you think I'm Mafia trying to blame a vig from all that, as opposed to the actual vig? Miller being vigged eventually before Lylo IS the correct long-term play for town, if a vig exists, and even Robb acknowledged that. If not, they'll have to be lynched, and a wasted town lynch is far more valuable than Mafia getting a near-guaranteed kill on the first night by striking the unlikeliest target.

And no, the two tells you listed were ,
"Way back in post 88, in response to my lack of suspects, she suggested Nmillar.
I can see nothing in the game to that point that singled Nmillar out as a suspect.”
and,
"So, is Jess leading us to expect that Rob is to be Vig'ed to cover mafia hit?"

You're using the call for a vig as a second tell. If only Orry made some nice scumhunting posts instead of being so scummy seeming, my vote would hop over to one of you two in a heartbeat.

@ Jess:

I did not suggest you were the vig cos then I would be accused of role-fishing.
It was in my mind though.

I am most certainly not a vig anyway, but gotcha. I would have kept him alive till Night 2 if not 3 or 4, as we don't get enough info as town from such an early flip and he definitely seemed pro-town up till his death, to waste my potentially only bullet (depending on the exact version of the theoretical-vig role, which may not even exist in this game) on someone who didn't even seem like Mafia.

It does, and even has a wiki page on it. This fallacy is the strawman argument, listed on Mafiascum and [url=[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman]here]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strawman]here on Wikipedia.

PS, it is occasionally a good play to lynch yourself as Mafia, and the reason for that would be if your wagon is built up really early and fast on a day (especially early in the game) with a large amount of time left. If it looks inevitable anyway, by self-hammering, you effectively stifle discussion so your scummates are less likely to get caught if town wants to stretch the day out longer to analyze what everyone else has to say or how they vote. And immediately gives them a night phase to discuss. It is frowned upon by some places/mods, though. And likely doesn't apply in this game due to the short time frames anyway.

I wouldn't call this strawmaning at all. QuadrAlien made two points. Second one was even longer than first one. He made no implications, he considers it less important than the first one but when Orryyrro commented on this point he immediately attacked him.
How could he know Quadr considers it less important? I could do this with every argument I present. As soon as someone tries to find some holes in them I could retract them as unimportant and accuse people of strawmaning or something else. Is it fair game? I don't think so.
This is much more scummier than Orryyrro's comment. So much it makes me unvote Orryyrro and vote QuadrAlien for now.

Apologies, I should have made it more clear in my reasoning - it is the fact that argument number 1 - which, as you recall, involves me thinking he's fudging a statement - is then the one conveniently left out in his response. It's the combination of the lack of a solid answer each time that then reinforced my belief in the first argument, rather than simply the fact that only part of my argument had been responded to meaning the other was the important section.

I'd like to add, my last post was longer but I accidentaly deleted while copying.
In summary I said I tend to agree with jesskitten's cause against Rodzaju.

P.S. We are going to run out of time. ;-)

We have until Wednesday, right? Hopefully that'll be enough time still, but yeah, these tight deadlines are nerve wracking. :)

@Orry Could you please list your scum/town reads?

This could be interpreted as a push for a (mis) lynch ...

The "I do wish I hadn't drunk quite so much" votecount

Orryyrro - 2 - jesskitten, QuadrAlien
jesskitten - 1 - Rodzaju
QuadrAlien - 1 - Vitek

Not voting: Typhoon45, Taleroth, ViolatorX, Orryyrro, nmillar, TwilightBard

With 10 alive, it takes 6 to lynch. It's four days before sunset, give or take a few hours.

It was repetiton of my statement from last day which others labeled as too early as we had 4 and half day to go but later it proved quite right when we had to decide quickly on last day. You would know that if you read last day discussion. Or maybe you did but you try to accuse me of something.

No, just commenting on how it could be read. Everyone is still a suspect at this stage.

Yes, because with current activity level we don't have to fear we will get into time troubles at all. :-P
I am not pushing for lynch, I am pressing for posts.

@Taleroth - The lynchtrain started when Fexen was suggesting that Robbeasy was hiding a different town role under his miller status. This was starting to sound fishy to me like he was trying to bait someone to come out and claim or for Rob to say he was lying and was really a doctor or cop trying to hide.

QuadrAlien's questions and his response to Orryyrro's response to his second question strike me as a bit strange. It seems to me that it was put there as bait for a trap, get a response that could be twisted to suit YOUR needs.

As for a reason for Rob's kill...I've been mulling this over. Wouldn't the Mafia benefit from getting rid of the one townie who can be loud in his accusations knowing he's got a target on his back anyway? I mean, most of us believed his claim anyway as the only move he could have made, and that makes him dangerous to the mafia. The idea of it having to be a newbie only mafia making that kill is a pretty good red herring.

I have a bunch of scummy things from more people then there probably are mafia, but QuadrAlien seems to be very singlemindedly going after Orryyrro without acknowledging a bunch of different things.

Vote QuadrAlien