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Zolgar: Also the number of foes you get hit with, even at really low levels, can with just a few lucky shots tear your melee fighters to pieces.
Thankfully, BG2 and PS:T manage to avoid this.

BG, not so much. There's a late-game dungeon notorious for its combination of tight corridors, horrible pathfinding, and packs of accurate kobold snipers armed with devastating fire arrows. Even at the max level cap, surviving is difficult.

BG2 and PS:T are equally good, for different tastes. BG2 is fantasy epic with loads of character interaction and classic CRPG gameplay. PS:T is deep, filled with very serious and thoughtful philosophy and psychology, difficult moral choices, and quirky encounters. BG2 has more traditional gaming, finely polished; PS:T is heavier on (beautifully written) text and encourages introspection.

BG1 is more of a straightforward hack & slash with lots of storytelling along the way to a predetermined conclusion. BG2 took a lot of lessons from PS:T and deepened in many ways. Playing BG1 can add some meaning to BG2, but it's not absolutely necessary for understanding and enjoying the sequel.
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bladeofBG: Someone who spent their life becoming a mage also somehow spent their life becoming a master swordsman as well? Really?
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Aaron86: Gandalf knew how to sword fight... ;)
Yeah but he can cast 9th level spells. It was Black Blade of Disaster! Errr, rather, white or grey Blade of Disaster! Depending on if he was Gandalf the Grey or Gandalf the White when he pulled it out!
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Zolgar: Also the number of foes you get hit with, even at really low levels, can with just a few lucky shots tear your melee fighters to pieces.
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wvpr: Thankfully, BG2 and PS:T manage to avoid this.

BG, not so much. There's a late-game dungeon notorious for its combination of tight corridors, horrible pathfinding, and packs of accurate kobold snipers armed with devastating fire arrows. Even at the max level cap, surviving is difficult.

BG2 and PS:T are equally good, for different tastes. BG2 is fantasy epic with loads of character interaction and classic CRPG gameplay. PS:T is deep, filled with very serious and thoughtful philosophy and psychology, difficult moral choices, and quirky encounters. BG2 has more traditional gaming, finely polished; PS:T is heavier on (beautifully written) text and encourages introspection.

BG1 is more of a straightforward hack & slash with lots of storytelling along the way to a predetermined conclusion. BG2 took a lot of lessons from PS:T and deepened in many ways. Playing BG1 can add some meaning to BG2, but it's not absolutely necessary for understanding and enjoying the sequel.
That was a really good summation I think.
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Aaron86: I think brother-eros should clarify what his definition of balance is.

Every class and character build should be different, but they should be "equal". There shouldn't be any classes or builds that are obviously underpowered or overpowered. There shouldn't be any no-brainer builds.

And don't tell me that an underpowered class is meant to be a "challenge" class. A difficulty setting is more straightforward.

You know, it's always bothered me that in CRPGs mages are always the expert class while warriors are the n00b class.
Well, yeah, I don't think they should be equal so much as suited to different roles. I have no problem with certain characters outshining others in different situations (and then working together becomes more meaningful also). If the game doesn't cater for this (those different situations, in a party-based setting) then I believe that to be a fault of the developers.

But I agree there shouldn't be obvious over/underpowerd classes in general. However, I think that dnd would do better for multiclassing if it required very high base stats (higher than dual-class requirements) and allowed those classes to shine. If a charcter is so rare as to have all of those abilities then developing simultaneously in different areas is a good reward for the player who spends a couple of days rolling for stats.
Post edited July 01, 2011 by brother-eros
icewind dale :)))
You know, now that I think on it, Gandalf didn't really do all that much magic.

Sure he faced down the Balrog with the Flame of Ordu or whatever, and had that shiny shield-bubble thingy...

and there was the telekinetic fight with Saruman which he lost (prolly 'cause he multi-classed some fighter levels in)...

His bond to Shadowfax was quasi-magical...but even John Wayne could whistle for his horse, so unless The Duke was a wizard, I dunno if that counts...

He did cast Saruman out of Theodin King, but that's more along the lines of an exorcism than real magic...

and there was his ability to smirk knowingly...oh, wait, I forgot I can do that....

You know, I don't think Gandalf is a true Wizard. I think he's a multi-classed character which explains the sword fighting.

So I'd choose all 3 games (And Icewind Dale for good measure).
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VetMichael: You know, now that I think on it, Gandalf didn't really do all that much magic.
Magic in Tolkien's work was always subtle.

I don't read much fantasy fiction, but I'm pretty sure the fireball spam type of magic we see in RPGs are only found in RPGs. The Harry Potter books are the only books I've read where the amounts of magic spam are close to the levels found in games.
Baldur's Gate. Period?

Why? Cuz Forgotten Realms is AWESOME.
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Landeril: Baldur's Gate. Period?

Why? Cuz Forgotten Realms is AWESOME.
Planes are better.

I do suggest getting both tough.
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Landeril: Baldur's Gate. Period?

Why? Cuz Forgotten Realms is AWESOME.
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lukaszthegreat: Planes are better.

I do suggest getting both tough.
I didn't get Planescape. And No one seems to be wanting to give it to me XD
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lukaszthegreat: Planes are better.

I do suggest getting both tough.
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Landeril: I didn't get Planescape. And No one seems to be wanting to give it to me XD
buy it!
buy it now! as it is epic.
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Landeril: I didn't get Planescape. And No one seems to be wanting to give it to me XD
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lukaszthegreat: buy it!
buy it now! as it is epic.
I got a wedding coming up(My own) been trying to get a GOG as a gift from someone lol.
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lukaszthegreat: buy it!
buy it now! as it is epic.
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Landeril: I got a wedding coming up(My own) been trying to get a GOG as a gift from someone lol.
i am certain that you can arrange a sale of your honeymoon pics to some porn site. If you argue hard enough you probably can get 50% of the pay right now.
thats like 200 gog games.

one of which would be pst.

do it and then you can play this great game.
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Landeril: I got a wedding coming up(My own) been trying to get a GOG as a gift from someone lol.
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lukaszthegreat: i am certain that you can arrange a sale of your honeymoon pics to some porn site. If you argue hard enough you probably can get 50% of the pay right now.
thats like 200 gog games.

one of which would be pst.

do it and then you can play this great game.
Lmao. I can sell her porn pics right now. I already have five
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Landeril: Lmao. I can sell her porn pics right now. I already have five
well i would trade them a pic for a gog game but i really cannot gift anymore at this time.

maybe create an auction?
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Landeril: Lmao. I can sell her porn pics right now. I already have five
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lukaszthegreat: well i would trade them a pic for a gog game but i really cannot gift anymore at this time.

maybe create an auction?
Meh. She would kill me. :P Besides the game is more for her then me.