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Irenaeus.: You're thinking of the law of conservation of matter. This worked quite well until particle physics came along and showed that, in order for relativity to be correct, a particle's energy is given by
E^2 = p^2c^2 + m^2c^4
(where E = energy observed, p = momentum, m = mass and c = speed of light) which, if you shift to the rest-frame of the particle, becomes
E = mc^2
which people know as Einstein's famous equation. So you can generate mass out of energy relatively easily, if you have enough energy. This is precisely what particle accelerators do - they accelerate charged particles up to very high speeds in a vacuum, then smash them together to create huge amounts of energy, which then give rise to all sorts of particles for them to analyse.
[Edit - added terminology description for those not used to physics equations]
Edit2 - I agree that you can't make something out of nothing, you just need to expand your description of "something" to take into account energy too :)
So if I understand, it may be entirely possible to make an item out of energy, due to how various different particles are created by energy?
Yes :)
To emphasise the point, in particle physics, the mass of particles is given by their equivalent energy in the above equation - an electron is 911 keV, a proton is 938 MeV, and so on :)
Post edited June 20, 2011 by Irenaeus.
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Delixe: Of course. I was merely using the phone as an example of how technology has advanced very quickly in a very short period of time. History has taught us that it only takes one scientific breakthrough to change our very understanding of our existance. DNA, Nuclear Fission, Sub-Atomic particles, Rocketry, Microprosessors, GPS, these have all had a massive effect on us. Quantum theory is already in a shakey relationship with the theory of relativity so who knows where we will be in 10 years from now or even 20 years? Just the discovery of gravitons would completely shake up the theory of relativity because it never accounted for gravity being the effect of a particle.
The "discovery of gravitons" is really a short-hand way of saying that you are replacing relativity (gravity is the only fundamental force that is modelled using a classical field theory) by a Quantum Field theory. The graviton is simply the name given to the force-carrier of a quantised gravitational force model.

The "discovery of gravitons" would hence not shake up relativity, it would by definition mean that it has been replaced. By a completely different form of theory. Nobel prizes would be won. Grand Unified Theories would be available. And so on.

I can't remember the exact theory, my QFT course (taught by Mageijo) was a long time ago, but there's a mathematical proof that says that energy conservation implies that all physics theories should in principle be Gauge theories, i.e. quantised rather than classical field. So relativity is clearly incorrect, they just don't know what to replace it with. So gravitons are assumed to exist, we just haven't observed them yet as their quantum is smaller than our gravimeters can detect.
Post edited June 20, 2011 by Irenaeus.
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GameRager: Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
Thank you for your contribution, Mr. Morgan.

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HoneyBakedHam: You ivory tower intellectuals must not lose touch with the world of industrial growth and hard currency. It is all very well and good to pursue these high-minded scientific theories, but research grants are expensive. You must justify your existence by providing not only knowledge but concrete and profitable applications as well.

* CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"

(in the spirit of GoG's recent acquisition of Alpha Centauri :-)
Hah great quote, especially taking into account the fact that I just played AC for the first time a couple of weeks ago!
The quote about research grants is an interesting, but nevertheless a reoccurring one. My brother is currently doing a PhD in fluid mechanics with one of the world's leading professors on the topic. Interestingly enough, the professor apparently quite often spends most of his day not on research, but on pursuing funding. In comparison to the US though, funding for universities and research here in the UK is notoriously lacking.

Essentially, the issue is that there will only be funding where there will be returns on said funding. Malaria in itself is not the most sophisticated disease, but there is no interest in investment in it due to the lack of purchasing power of customers.
The additional problem with research in fundamental physics is the lack of opportunities for patenting, which obviously leads to no returns on investment.

That being said, my brother perhaps receives monthly projects from private companies asking him to research something particular. The remuneration isn't great, but it's more than plenty for the average PhD student.
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GameRager: Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
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FraterPerdurabo: Thank you for your contribution, Mr. Morgan.
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Cy-Fox: As an American, I'm deeply irritated at my generation and wish that Hawking would chase after these idiot teenagers with Richard Dawkins shooting lasers.
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JudasIscariot: Put a Hemi in his wheelchair with an automatic tranny. Gattling guns on the side with swivel mounts so they can get around 45 degrees of turn. The underside of the chair can be used as bullet storage and a counterweight to the extra added mass of the gats and the V8. No need for a radiator since the V8 should get enough air to be cooled by it considering it won't have that much weight to push. After exhaustive testing this should make a fine Stupidity Elimination Stephen Hawking Mobile Weapon Station :D
You sir, have presented the best idea, ever. +1
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JudasIscariot: Put a Hemi in his wheelchair with an automatic tranny. Gattling guns on the side with swivel mounts so they can get around 45 degrees of turn. The underside of the chair can be used as bullet storage and a counterweight to the extra added mass of the gats and the V8. No need for a radiator since the V8 should get enough air to be cooled by it considering it won't have that much weight to push. After exhaustive testing this should make a fine Stupidity Elimination Stephen Hawking Mobile Weapon Station :D
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Cy-Fox: You sir, have presented the best idea, ever. +1
Only problem I see is finding a weapon dealer dumb enough to sell to them...seeing as how most of them would probably be of such low intelligence that Hawking would probably blow them away the moment they sat down on their contraption similar to Terminator 1 gunshop scene.
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FraterPerdurabo: The quote about research grants is an interesting, but nevertheless a reoccurring one. My brother is currently doing a PhD in fluid mechanics with one of the world's leading professors on the topic. Interestingly enough, the professor apparently quite often spends most of his day not on research, but on pursuing funding. In comparison to the US though, funding for universities and research here in the UK is notoriously lacking.
This is unfortuantely very common, and what put me off staying in academia - the constant applying for funding, with its complete lottery as to results. I've not seen my Professor in a technical meeting for 3 months, and this is true for most of his PhD students. His just-starting PhD students are really up a creek without a paddle.
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Irenaeus.: So relativity is clearly incorrect, they just don't know what to replace it with.
Nyyaaahh... I personally wouldn't call it incorrect. More like incomplete. Relativity today is about the same as Newtonian physics just after Einstein proposed his theories - not at all incorrect, more like clearly not the whole picture. The same goes for quantum field theory and the standard model; there is something here, but we can't quite make sense of it yet.

As a way to visualize the situation: we got a picture of something, we know this something works, but we don't know why. Let's say the resolution of the picture is too poor to make out the finer details.
What we need now is a higher resolution; a unified field that incorporates both quantum field theory and relativity in a common, smooth framework where neither theory conflicts with the other. This is what quantum gravity and the graviton is really all about; to explain how gravity works on the smallest of scales and outwards; thus hopefully unify it with the other forces of nature, something we have not managed to do yet beyond hypothesis. What is important to remember is that any unified field theory will still incorporate relativity just like relativity incorporates Newton's theories. It works great when we need it, so there's no point in discarding it.
Post edited June 21, 2011 by Skystrider
Coming up with bombs that can destroy the world and have been used to end a world war and ensure another one hasn't broken out for 70 years in a world that had the last two only 20 years apart is pretty important, as irrelevant theorizing goes.

Maybe not Justin Bieber and Jackass III important, but still ...