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Adzeth: That Europe / USA size comparison got me interested, so I checked Wikipedia. Now, assuming that Wikipedia is reliable:
Europe: 10,180,000 km2
------USA: 9,826,675 km2 (tried to put lines so the number "columns" would match, might be a complete failure since I can't preview (you can also think of it as having USA on a stick if that's your thing)).

Also, since I'm so trying to avoid going to bed because after waking up I'll have to go to work, I looked up a world map (googled) and made this handy picture where I moved stuff around and colored 'em. Sorry Icelanders, I misplaced your country so hard... so hard...

The map I used might have been wonky.

Anyway, I'd say that it is reasonable to say that USA is almost as big as Europe, and it's also reasonable to say that a 353,325 km2 difference is a big deal. For comparison's sake, Finland has a total area of 338,424 km2 (wikipedia, again).
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JudasIscariot: You got some Russia in your Europe, there, buddy :P.

If you do actually have Russia in there then, from what I have heard and read, you are wrong since Russia isn't supposedly a part of Europe in a political sense and, perhaps, a geographical one, either.

I could be wrong and I am always willing to correct myself in light of any new information.
The shapefiles I work with have Russia split between 2 continents, Europe and Asia (obviously), so this is likely reflected in the map he referenced. In fact, most online mapping tools use the same source base maps, so you'll see the same results, or close. The visual area does depend on the projection used however, so you can for instance make Greenland appear larger than Africa (Mercator projection), or visa-versa (Gall projection). The shape would be distorted though in Gall. I would need to check this again in ArcMap, but the computed area should also reflect that.
Post edited June 19, 2011 by swaimiac
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lowyhong: Son of a---what the f--what did I just read I don't even--
Melanie Whatshername Bimbo:
herp derp
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lowyhong:
Other jock with some random name:
herp derp
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lowyhong: Gentlemen, I believe it is time to carry out Operation Gene Pool Cleansing.
No!

No you can not cleanse the gene pool.

Somebody has to scrub toilets, flip burgers, and manage hedge funds. I'm sure as hell not gonna do it.
I always wondered what Stephen Hawking could accomplish if he wasn't held back by his physical disability. Think about it, the man moved forward our thinking and understanding of time by at least 50 years.

These people, the teenagers in question, don't deserve the benefits of science :D.
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JudasIscariot: I always wondered what Stephen Hawking could accomplish if he wasn't held back by his physical disability. Think about it, the man moved forward our thinking and understanding of time by at least 50 years.

These people, the teenagers in question, don't deserve the benefits of science :D.
If he weren't crippled who's to say he would have become as contemplative/introspective as he is now?
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JudasIscariot: I always wondered what Stephen Hawking could accomplish if he wasn't held back by his physical disability. Think about it, the man moved forward our thinking and understanding of time by at least 50 years.

These people, the teenagers in question, don't deserve the benefits of science :D.
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GameRager: If he weren't crippled who's to say he would have become as contemplative/introspective as he is now?
Depends on the character of the man. Crippled or not, I am sure he would still devote some time towards theoretical thinking while also applying his thought into reality.
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GameRager: If he weren't crippled who's to say he would have become as contemplative/introspective as he is now?
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JudasIscariot: Depends on the character of the man. Crippled or not, I am sure he would still devote some time towards theoretical thinking while also applying his thought into reality.
I'm talking about growing up....as he grew his disability limited his options. This partially led him to become the man he is today. Imagine if he'd been just another nerd/geek without the disability, and you wonder if he would've been as great a man.
Honestly I don't understand how someone can claim that theoretical physics (and mathematics!) has no realistic applications. Just look at our use of GPS, and modern plane's ability to use autopilot (they rely on the existence of complex numbers to function properly. This seems theoretical enough to be included). Even more basically, how does none of this spark curiosity. Cosmology and theories of everything such as String Theory, more specifically M-Theory, have to be some of the most damn interesting things there are. Hawking's radiation gives sustenance to such theories, hinting at the fabric of reality and the universe itself.

I'm almost ashamed to call myself in the same generation. I'd just like to throw this out there: Not every kid you see is so close minded.

Edit: Gamerager. See above points. Theoretical mathematics and sciences have already had large impacts on modern society. Not to mention, these things such as black holes that you say have no bearing on your life, just happen to be key to your existance. For example, at the center of our very own galaxy is a super massive black hole. I'd think you'd be at least passively interested in what's keeping the Earth in check.
Post edited June 19, 2011 by sk8ing667
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sk8ing667: Honestly I don't understand how someone can claim that theoretical physics (and mathematics!) has no realistic applications. Just look at our use of GPS, and modern plane's ability to use autopilot (they rely on the existence of complex numbers to function properly. This seems theoretical enough to be included). Even more basically, how does none of this spark curiosity. Cosmology and theories of everything such as String Theory, more specifically M-Theory, have to be some of the most damn interesting things there are. Hawking's radiation gives sustenance to such theories, hinting at the fabric of reality and the universe itself.

I'm almost ashamed to call myself in the same generation. I'd just like to throw this out there: Not every kid you see is so close minded.
Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
Post edited June 19, 2011 by GameRager
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Skystrider: About practical application of science: I believe that should be considered a bonus, not a goal by itself. Science is for science alone. We need no excuses for studying the reality in which we are part. We never know what waits to be discovered, and we will probably never know unless we go look.
You ivory tower intellectuals must not lose touch with the world of industrial growth and hard currency. It is all very well and good to pursue these high-minded scientific theories, but research grants are expensive. You must justify your existence by providing not only knowledge but concrete and profitable applications as well.

* CEO Nwabudike Morgan "The Ethics of Greed"

(in the spirit of GoG's recent acquisition of Alpha Centauri :-)
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sk8ing667: Honestly I don't understand how someone can claim that theoretical physics (and mathematics!) has no realistic applications. Just look at our use of GPS, and modern plane's ability to use autopilot (they rely on the existence of complex numbers to function properly. This seems theoretical enough to be included). Even more basically, how does none of this spark curiosity. Cosmology and theories of everything such as String Theory, more specifically M-Theory, have to be some of the most damn interesting things there are. Hawking's radiation gives sustenance to such theories, hinting at the fabric of reality and the universe itself.

I'm almost ashamed to call myself in the same generation. I'd just like to throw this out there: Not every kid you see is so close minded.
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GameRager: Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
Teleportation. Instantaneous communication (no radio lag even at interstellar distances). Yes, this stuff might actually work in our lifetimes, or at the very least, incredibly bright people are working on it.
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sk8ing667: Honestly I don't understand how someone can claim that theoretical physics (and mathematics!) has no realistic applications. Just look at our use of GPS, and modern plane's ability to use autopilot (they rely on the existence of complex numbers to function properly. This seems theoretical enough to be included). Even more basically, how does none of this spark curiosity. Cosmology and theories of everything such as String Theory, more specifically M-Theory, have to be some of the most damn interesting things there are. Hawking's radiation gives sustenance to such theories, hinting at the fabric of reality and the universe itself.

I'm almost ashamed to call myself in the same generation. I'd just like to throw this out there: Not every kid you see is so close minded.
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GameRager: Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
I had typed up an incredibly detailed response, then my internet crashed. Fantastic.

Long story short. Time travel. Understanding event horizons, time dilation, and the effects that black holes have on the speed of light (or lack thereof) and time give birth to very feasible time travel theories. Also, wormholes. Another time/universe travel theory actively being researched.

Also, research must start somewhere. If we all said "it won't effect me in my life time", nothing would get done.
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GameRager: Interesting but give me a good real life use for black hole theory. I mean one we can feasibly use in our lifetimes? I'm talking uses by man, not in how the universe works/functions.

I agree it's important to science and interesting in general, but current practical science is always of more use at the current present time than most theoretical science.

BTW knew about the galaxy black holes for awhile now, as well as the supermassive stars and some of the alternate universe/multiverse theories. Interesting, but of no use to me....unless I can harness a couple small black holes and build a starship or something.
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sk8ing667: I had typed up an incredibly detailed response, then my internet crashed. Fantastic.

Long story short. Time travel. Understanding event horizons, time dilation, and the effects that black holes have on the speed of light (or lack thereof) and time give birth to very feasible time travel theories. Also, wormholes. Another time/universe travel theory actively being researched.

Also, research must start somewhere. If we all said "it won't effect me in my life time", nothing would get done.
Did I say that we shouldn't research these things? I swear, I keep saying one thing and most in here think I said something else and pipe up with theoretical research is important and here's why....each and every time. Even when I wasn't saying it wasn't important. I merely said it isn't usable by the common man right now, and that practical applications of sciences/practical sciences at the moment are more important in that sense of the benefits they can provide right now to mankind. I never said we shouldn't research these things, just that they won't bear any fruit for a long time, whereas practical sciences/research will.
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orcishgamer: Teleportation. Instantaneous communication (no radio lag even at interstellar distances). Yes, this stuff might actually work in our lifetimes, or at the very least, incredibly bright people are working on it.
That stuff will likely take several generations(with the exception of a freak discovery or set of such discoveries) to complete.
Post edited June 20, 2011 by GameRager
Long term survival of mankind. Good enough practical application for you?
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Skystrider: Long term survival of mankind. Good enough practical application for you?
Why can't I have my opinion? You guys are acting all defensive like I punched einstein's ghost or something. :P

:)

I made a declartive factual statement, and everyone gets irked about it. And no, I meant short term-long term currently feasible practical uses....black hole theories not able to qualify much there, i'm afraid.
Post edited June 20, 2011 by GameRager
It's impossible to know the practical applications entirely in advance. We wouldn't have been able to figure out quantum computing before quantum mechanics, would we?