Posted June 20, 2011

GamezRanker
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Talby
I play games
Registered: Sep 2008
From Australia
Posted June 20, 2011
First I laughed. Then I cried.

SeduceMePlz
Foolish Mortal
Registered: Mar 2011
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011
A few stray thoughts on the many things said in this thread:
Mathematics, medicine, technology, etc predate "science" by a looooooooong shot. The scientific method is a specific methodology for exploring these areas of knowledge. Using "science" as a noun to describe something more than this framework often results in a false perception of unity or agreement among scientists (most simply defined as those who use the scientific method) and tends towards something of a secular religion based on perceptions of current scientific theory.
Don't get me wrong: Scientific method = good and all that. But equating "science" with human "progress", believing in some kind of scientific utopia in which advanced technology solves all of our problems and we all live in harmony? That seems pretty damn naive to me, and a preference for funding practical work in the world versus astronomy and the like isn't so wrong a concept.
That said, the teens in the OP seem to be just talking out of their asses for the most part. The grain or two of sense in there is obscured by the foolishness of youth. ;-)
Mathematics, medicine, technology, etc predate "science" by a looooooooong shot. The scientific method is a specific methodology for exploring these areas of knowledge. Using "science" as a noun to describe something more than this framework often results in a false perception of unity or agreement among scientists (most simply defined as those who use the scientific method) and tends towards something of a secular religion based on perceptions of current scientific theory.
Don't get me wrong: Scientific method = good and all that. But equating "science" with human "progress", believing in some kind of scientific utopia in which advanced technology solves all of our problems and we all live in harmony? That seems pretty damn naive to me, and a preference for funding practical work in the world versus astronomy and the like isn't so wrong a concept.
That said, the teens in the OP seem to be just talking out of their asses for the most part. The grain or two of sense in there is obscured by the foolishness of youth. ;-)
Post edited June 20, 2011 by ddmuse

Irenaeus.
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Posted June 20, 2011



However, real-world teleporters are maybe a hundred years away, for reasons of (a) computational power (you'd need to communicate the entire body's nuclear composition, consisting of ~10^27 particles, each with their type, locations, charges, spin states etc pretty much within a second or so, which would also mean you'd have to effectively teleport at the speed of light), and (b) you'd need some way of forming constituent matter into the "new" body, which would presumably at the first prototypes be done using some whopping big magnets. This is before you even think about teleporting exotic matter which would need even bigger magnets to overcome the Strong force.
Hmm, as a recently-quit Physicist, I have to say I haven't heard of anyone doing research into time travel. Certainly no major funding from government into it. They may fund some theoretical research into whether it's physically impossible or not. I think they're doing that with White Hole research, but practically that's useless anyway - the time dilation effects of falling into a black hole mean that it'd be really complicated.
Post edited June 20, 2011 by Irenaeus.

chris.frukacz
Dominus Nox
Registered: Sep 2008
From Ireland
Posted June 20, 2011
I read the conversation and was rendered speechless. Fair enough, you don't have to even be interested in quantum physics or science at all but saying it makes no sense is just moronic.
I don't even weep for future generations, they will weep after we will be all long gone :)
I don't even weep for future generations, they will weep after we will be all long gone :)

dada_dave
Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011

:)

However, real-world teleporters are maybe a hundred years away, for reasons of (a) computational power (you'd need to communicate the entire body's nuclear composition, consisting of ~10^27 particles, each with their type, locations, charges, spin states etc pretty much within a second or so, which would also mean you'd have to effectively teleport at the speed of light), and (b) you'd need some way of forming constituent matter into the "new" body, which would presumably at the first prototypes be done using some whopping big magnets. This is before you even think about teleporting exotic matter which would need even bigger magnets to overcome the Strong force.

Mathematics, medicine, technology, etc predate "science" by a looooooooong shot. The scientific method is a specific methodology for exploring these areas of knowledge. Using "science" as a noun to describe something more than this framework often results in a false perception of unity or agreement among scientists (most simply defined as those who use the scientific method) and tends towards something of a secular religion based on perceptions of current scientific theory.
Don't get me wrong: Scientific method = good and all that. But equating "science" with human "progress", believing in some kind of scientific utopia in which advanced technology solves all of our problems and we all live in harmony? That seems pretty damn naive to me, and a preference for funding practical work in the world versus astronomy and the like isn't so wrong a concept.
That said, the teens in the OP seem to be just talking out of their asses for the most part. The grain or two of sense in there is obscured by the foolishness of youth. ;-)
Post edited June 20, 2011 by crazy_dave

HoneyBakedHam
I'm juicy :-)
Registered: Feb 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011
Several posts here (ignoring the dumb ass Facebook prattle) have pointed out that any real life transporter technology would fail with living subjects because it would kill the subject and create a copy... BUT that it could work with objects.
Let's assume that is true (and it probably is). If that is true then why invent the transporter in the first place? It seems like an amazingly useless technology.
Let's say I build future-cars. They are silver. They fly. They fold up into a briefcase. I build them in a low gravity factory on the moon. I have a wife with four breasts and blue skin. Okay...
You want my car. You buy my car by going to my web site... which is a fully interactive 3D holo-showroom which you access through your future-Web enabled cerebral cortex implant. You've shopped and choose an economy model because you are not too rich. You only have a traditional dual breasted wife.
Why would I beam the car to you? In other words, why would I put the car in a transporter device, convert the matter to energy, transmit the energy, and have the car re-assembled on the other side?
Instead, shouldn't I use a device that uses extremely similar technology, but far less energy, and "fax" the car to you. I scan the car on my side and the car is perfectly copied and assembled on your side.
This way, I'm not sitting on an inventory of a million cars. I in fact make prototypes and custom manufacture each purchase in your garage (or a nearby receiving station).
If you can't move living beings, there really is no need to "move" anything. The replicator is the more practical choice.
Don't you think?
Let's assume that is true (and it probably is). If that is true then why invent the transporter in the first place? It seems like an amazingly useless technology.
Let's say I build future-cars. They are silver. They fly. They fold up into a briefcase. I build them in a low gravity factory on the moon. I have a wife with four breasts and blue skin. Okay...
You want my car. You buy my car by going to my web site... which is a fully interactive 3D holo-showroom which you access through your future-Web enabled cerebral cortex implant. You've shopped and choose an economy model because you are not too rich. You only have a traditional dual breasted wife.
Why would I beam the car to you? In other words, why would I put the car in a transporter device, convert the matter to energy, transmit the energy, and have the car re-assembled on the other side?
Instead, shouldn't I use a device that uses extremely similar technology, but far less energy, and "fax" the car to you. I scan the car on my side and the car is perfectly copied and assembled on your side.
This way, I'm not sitting on an inventory of a million cars. I in fact make prototypes and custom manufacture each purchase in your garage (or a nearby receiving station).
If you can't move living beings, there really is no need to "move" anything. The replicator is the more practical choice.
Don't you think?

dada_dave
Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011

Let's assume that is true (and it probably is). If that is true then why invent the transporter in the first place? It seems like an amazingly useless technology.
Let's say I build future-cars. They are silver. They fly. They fold up into a briefcase. I build them in a low gravity factory on the moon. I have a wife with four breasts and blue skin. Okay...
You want my car. You buy my car by going to my web site... which is a fully interactive 3D holo-showroom which you access through your future-Web enabled cerebral cortex implant. You've shopped and choose an economy model because you are not too rich. You only have a traditional dual breasted wife.
Why would I beam the car to you? In other words, why would I put the car in a transporter device, convert the matter to energy, transmit the energy, and have the car re-assembled on the other side?
Instead, shouldn't I use a device that uses extremely similar technology, but far less energy, and "fax" the car to you. I scan the car on my side and the car is perfectly copied and assembled on your side.
This way, I'm not sitting on an inventory of a million cars. I in fact make prototypes and custom manufacture each purchase in your garage (or a nearby receiving station).
If you can't move living beings, there really is no need to "move" anything. The replicator is the more practical choice.
Don't you think?
So you'd still have to beam the information content (which would be huge since you are beaming everything down to the quantum level) to the replicator - that's a lot of information to record, store, transmit, and duplicate.
Post edited June 20, 2011 by crazy_dave

Maighstir
THIS KNIGHT MISLIKES THESE HEIGHTS
Registered: Nov 2008
From Sweden
Posted June 20, 2011
Post edited June 20, 2011 by Miaghstir

HoneyBakedHam
I'm juicy :-)
Registered: Feb 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011

So you'd still have to beam the information content (which would be huge since you are beaming everything down to the quantum level) to the replicator - that's a lot of information to record, store, transmit, and duplicate.
Heck... I'm essentially supplying a car dealership. Maybe the data is already stored locally and they just cook up a car when you order it.
Now... instant... as you say... as Star Trek portrays... would a very awesome way to resupply troops in a battle... get medical gear to a disaster site... all sorts of things. But it's obviously harder to do :-)

SeduceMePlz
Foolish Mortal
Registered: Mar 2011
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011

HoneyBakedHam
I'm juicy :-)
Registered: Feb 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011
Ha! I'd shop there :-)

dada_dave
Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011

So you'd still have to beam the information content (which would be huge since you are beaming everything down to the quantum level) to the replicator - that's a lot of information to record, store, transmit, and duplicate.


Skystrider
Crazy collector
Registered: Sep 2008
From Norway
Posted June 20, 2011
3D-Printers already exists, get ever more features, decreases ever more in price, and are sexy, sexy things.
I want one. When the price gets right. :D
I want one. When the price gets right. :D

dada_dave
Once New User
Registered: Oct 2010
From United States
Posted June 20, 2011


However, I'm not looking to argue atm. I'm more interested in the sale (or event, or whatever) scheduled to begin shortly. ;-)
However, I too am waiting for the sale to start ... happy hunting. :)

I want one. When the price gets right. :D
Post edited June 20, 2011 by crazy_dave