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Breja: [...]

I didn't say I believe him over you, just that different people are saying different things, so I will (eventually) see for myself. If that's not reasonable enough for you, I don't know what to tell you.
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amok: Perhaps also take into account that RaynardFox did not play the game, just "watched some gameplay footage"
Ok. Taken into account. I know that I should just unequivocally declare myself for one of the "sides" here on the spot, but I'm still not gonna do that. I will still, crazy as it may sound, only make up my mind once I've actually played the game.
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kai2: Like many AAA game releases, there's an initial flood of amazing reviews followed by... a second wave of less amazing reviews. I've been watching a number of post-release reviews and IMO a lot of the early reviews seemed much too positive.
Here's my favourite BG3 review.
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amok: Perhaps also take into account that RaynardFox did not play the game, just "watched some gameplay footage"
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Breja: Ok. Taken into account. I know that I should just unequivocally declare myself for one of the "sides" here on the spot, but I'm still not gonna do that. I will still, crazy as it may sound, only make up my mind once I've actually played the game.
which is really the only correct position to have, you should withold judgement on a game until you have played it youself.
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Breja: Ok. Taken into account. I know that I should just unequivocally declare myself for one of the "sides" here on the spot, but I'm still not gonna do that. I will still, crazy as it may sound, only make up my mind once I've actually played the game.
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amok: which is really the only correct position to have, you should withold judgement on a game until you have played it youself.
Now I don't mean specifically Alan Wake 2, but in general.

You are acting like you can't just do this:
ALAN WAKE 2 Full Gameplay Walkthrough / No Commentary

You can absolutely get an informed opinion about a show/game these days, without having watched/played it yourself. I'm not defending anybody here, no idea how informed ReynardFox is or isn't, but what you're saying was true maybe when Youtube wasn't a thing.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by idbeholdME
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CymTyr: This game has nothing to do with dei or esg. You do you, bro. But you're wrong about remedy.
You sure? I heard the character was white in the first game, but suddenly race changed for no reason...

Like how Ariel was white and in the new Disney movie is black suddenly.

Nah you're right, couldn't be related...
/sarcasm

Though, even if it isn't... it will be perceived that way.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by rtcvb32
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amok: which is really the only correct position to have, you should withold judgement on a game until you have played it youself.
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idbeholdME: Now I don't mean specifically Alan Wake 2, but in general.

You are acting like you can't just do this:
ALAN WAKE 2 Full Gameplay Walkthrough / No Commentary

You can absolutely get an informed opinion about a show/game these days, without having watched/played it yourself. I'm not defending anybody here, no idea how informed ReynardFox is or isn't, but what you're saying was true maybe when Youtube wasn't a thing.
If it was a film, then yes. But the main point about a game is that it is interactive, so waht you get out of a game also depends on what you as a player does, the decitions you make and how you make them. watching someone else play will only get the game from their point of view (even though there are no comments, as it shows that players actions only.
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rtcvb32: [...]
Though, even if it isn't... it will be perceived that way.
and that tells alot about the perceiver more than anything else.

(I also relly like the use of "will" instead of "can", which again tells me alot about you :))
Post edited November 05, 2023 by amok
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amok: If it was a film, then yes. But the main point about a game is that it is interactive, so waht you get out of a game also depends on what you as a player does, the decitions you make and how you make them. watching someone else play will only get the game from their point of view (even though there are no comments, as it shows that players actions only.
Did you get to choose what the character(s) look like? I hear a lot of stupidities, like making women uglier, shoving LGBT bs into games.

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rtcvb32: Though, even if it isn't... it will be perceived that way.
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amok: and that tells alot about the perceiver more than anything else.

(I also relly like the use of "will" instead of "can", which again tells me alot about you :))
About me? Or about a population as a whole tired of this shit because it's so common?
Saga Anderson wasn't part of the first game. The first appearance is in Alan Wake 2. There is no race swap of a character.
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foad01: The first appearance is in Alan Wake 2.
She was in the Alan Wake 2 teaser in Quantum Break.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by SargonAelther
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SargonAelther: She was in the Alan Wake 2 teaser in Quantum Break.
A teaser is not a finished game. That teaser was also an easter egg in a different game released in 2016. We are talking about the Alan Wake series and here is the first appearance of that character in Alan Wake 2.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by foad01
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foad01: Saga Anderson wasn't part of the first game. The first appearance is in Alan Wake 2. There is no race swap of a character.
Saga Anderson first appeared in Quantum Break.

She is indeed played by another actress in Alan Wake 2.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbFqmP8CYxo

While I might stop short of "race swap," it is clear they were going in one direction with the character and then decided to go in another... Take that for what you will.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by kai2
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kai2: Saga Anderson first appeared in Quantum Break.
Saga Anderson is not part of the Quantum Break characters. You posted the easter egg in a different game series again.
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StingingVelvet: I mean he has an obvious political agenda, and reviews are generally praising the writing, but believe what you like.
I have standards that I expected this sequel to live up to. Sweet Baby Inc is an embarrassment of a company, my personal politics put completely aside, the writing in this game is asinine dreck. Character dialogue across the board (right down to the NPC chatter) feels amateur to the point of childish, nobody speaks or interacts like a believable human being, and the one who takes center stage instead of Alan, Saga, lost me immediately as an entirely unbelievable, unlikeable character, propped up by dialogue that makes sure to tell the player how good she is as a detective, while showing a character who legitimately acts like a careless teenager, who never enquires past the superficial and never logically pieces together any solutions, she just pulls solutions straight out of her ass.

And before any comments come back at me, you could change Saga's race, gender, sexuality, all of it, to anything else, and they'd still be an awful written character, just like virtually everyone else in the game.

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amok: Perhaps also take into account that RaynardFox did not play the game, just "watched some gameplay footage"
Since you brought it up, it's true, I haven't played it myself, but I have sat through almost four continuous hours of direct feed, commentary free gameplay, not just a couple of clips, and I'd say watching two movies worth of footage of a product is more than enough to be able to pass judgement on it at a narrative level. I never set out to say it plays bad, I'm just directly criticizing the lazy, amateur writing in this story focussed game. If the writing loses me in such a title, for me personally the gameplay is rendered moot.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by ReynardFox
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amok: If it was a film, then yes. But the main point about a game is that it is interactive, so waht you get out of a game also depends on what you as a player does, the decitions you make and how you make them. watching someone else play will only get the game from their point of view (even though there are no comments, as it shows that players actions only.
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rtcvb32: Did you get to choose what the character(s) look like? I hear a lot of stupidities, like making women uglier, shoving LGBT bs into games.

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amok: and that tells alot about the perceiver more than anything else.

(I also relly like the use of "will" instead of "can", which again tells me alot about you :))
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rtcvb32: About me? Or about a population as a whole tired of this shit because it's so common?
oh, it is all about you. from what I see around me, you are not very representative of the population at all
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foad01: Saga Anderson is not part of the Quantum Break characters. You posted the easter egg in a different game series again.
Next you're going to be telling us that Control is unrelated to Alan Wake too and that the abundance of references were nothing but "Easter Eggs". All of Remedy's games are intertwined and AW2 references Quantum Break all the time. To go into details would be to go into spoilers...

They clearly had one idea for the character, then changed their minds, for whatever reason, and went another way.

If you want to defend this, call it "A natural part of game development". Use Senua's face change during Hellblade 1's development as an example, if you want to, but don't try to bury the past and pretend that there was no change.
Post edited November 05, 2023 by SargonAelther